Kettle, pot, burned arse. Notice I haven't responded to the last comments made and when someone else has answered for me I haven't jumped in with well said etc etc. The OP asked a question on a Land Rover forum about Land Rover products. An enthusiast would answer with relevant Land Rover information. The RRC ended because it could no longer meet with safety criteria and the technology existed to go one better. The P38 gets a rough ride along with the Freelander but without them Land Rover would have died 15 years ago.No. With a high post count you can see what someone is like. All your posts have been argumentative so far so the impression one gleans from this is that you like an argument.