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Bernard Farquart

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Of course it is in the form of a zip file, cause that's
how everyone posts pictures on the internet. No way
you'll get a trojan horse or anything when you follow
THAT link.





 
You sir:

Are a ****ing idiot!

Refinish King

PS
All the advice from Bernard Farquart is erroneous and most likely is a
conspirator of the assholes that posted the virus/Trojan.


"Bernard Farquart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Of course it is in the form of a zip file, cause that's
> how everyone posts pictures on the internet. No way
> you'll get a trojan horse or anything when you follow
> THAT link.
>
>
>
>
>




 
Bernard Farquart wrote:
> Of course it is in the form of a zip file, cause that's
> how everyone posts pictures on the internet. No way
> you'll get a trojan horse or anything when you follow
> THAT link.


It's easy for trojans and viruses to be embedded in ZIP files, or in files that
look just like a ZIP file on some newsreaders -- especially Outlook Express.
I'm glad the attachment was missing from your message, 'cause anyone who clicks
on it is asking for trouble.

 
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:47:49 -0400, "Refinish King"
<[email protected]> was understood to have
stated the following:

>You sir:
>
>Are a ****ing idiot!
>
>Refinish King
>
>PS
>All the advice from Bernard Farquart is erroneous and most likely is a
>conspirator of the assholes that posted the virus/Trojan.


Ever hear of sarcasm?


 

"John David Galt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bernard Farquart wrote:
> > Of course it is in the form of a zip file, cause that's
> > how everyone posts pictures on the internet. No way
> > you'll get a trojan horse or anything when you follow
> > THAT link.

>
> It's easy for trojans and viruses to be embedded in ZIP files, or in files

that
> look just like a ZIP file on some newsreaders -- especially Outlook

Express.
> I'm glad the attachment was missing from your message, 'cause anyone who

clicks
> on it is asking for trouble.



Anyone who would click it is also an idiot.
You never, ever open an attachment unless you know who sent it, and you
CONFIRM that they sent it before you open it.
I've used Outlook Express since 1995 and I've never received a virus or
Trojan, because I won't click anything that looks suspicious, and that
includes posts. I generally won't read any posts that aren't from known
posters until someone posts a reply, and then I'll read the reply first.
Safer that way.


 
I suppose this is sort of "semantics", but I'm sure you have received
thousands of "trojan horse" and/or virus e-mails since 1995. However,
it is obvious that you have never been fool enough to have "opened" one
of these "attachments" (good for you :). Unfortunately there are so
many people out there that "fall" for the subject line and "open" the
attached e-mail, then WHAMO..., and the rest of us suffer. -PapaRick

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The Ancient One wrote:
>
>
> Anyone who would click it is also an idiot.
> You never, ever open an attachment unless you know who sent it, and you
> CONFIRM that they sent it before you open it.
> I've used Outlook Express since 1995 and I've never received a virus or
> Trojan, because I won't click anything that looks suspicious, and that
> includes posts. I generally won't read any posts that aren't from known
> posters until someone posts a reply, and then I'll read the reply first.
> Safer that way.
>
>


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-PapaRick [email protected] /Home <or> [email protected] /Work
1972 MGB (Blue/Black top), w/1.8L 4-cyl inline, chrome bumpers:)
1990 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme International (w/3.1L engine)
1993 Bronco 351EFI E4OD/BW1356 D44-Ford8.8/open 2"-lift 35"-tires
1996 Jaguar XJ6, w/4.0L 6cyl inline, ABS/Trac_Control, 3.54 gears

 

On 24-Jul-2004, "The Ancient One" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Anyone who would click it is also an idiot.
> You never, ever open an attachment unless you know who sent it, and you
> CONFIRM that they sent it before you open it.
> I've used Outlook Express since 1995 and I've never received a virus or
> Trojan, because I won't click anything that looks suspicious, and that
> includes posts. I generally won't read any posts that aren't from known
> posters until someone posts a reply, and then I'll read the reply first.
> Safer that way.


You being using Outlook Express since 1995 you would had been using it
without some security fixes and without them you -==can==- get infected
usng OE even without opening any attachments

Anyone who would click on it could possible not a Idiot but a new user that
wouldnt understand

Your BEST mate could send you a virus without them knowing
You just need to know what attachment can and canot be infected
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:54:23 GMT, Rick Colombo <[email protected]>
was understood to have stated the following:

>I suppose this is sort of "semantics", but I'm sure you have received
>thousands of "trojan horse" and/or virus e-mails since 1995. However,
>it is obvious that you have never been fool enough to have "opened" one
>of these "attachments" (good for you :). Unfortunately there are so
>many people out there that "fall" for the subject line and "open" the
>attached e-mail, then WHAMO..., and the rest of us suffer. -PapaRick


How do the rest of us suffer?


 


"David W. Poole, Jr." wrote:
>
> How do the rest of us suffer?


Many of these trojans run email attacks and we get the mail. I still get somewhere
aroung 30 copies of the Sobig virus every day, and that's a pretty old one. I have to
add a new email filter nearly every week as more come out.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.
 
David W. Poole, Jr. proclaimed:

> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:54:23 GMT, Rick Colombo <[email protected]>
> was understood to have stated the following:
>
>
>>I suppose this is sort of "semantics", but I'm sure you have received
>>thousands of "trojan horse" and/or virus e-mails since 1995. However,
>>it is obvious that you have never been fool enough to have "opened" one
>>of these "attachments" (good for you :). Unfortunately there are so
>>many people out there that "fall" for the subject line and "open" the
>>attached e-mail, then WHAMO..., and the rest of us suffer. -PapaRick

>
>
> How do the rest of us suffer?
>
>

We have to listen to them whine about it. Plus we have to listen to
people go on and on about opening email or news attachments as if that
is the only way to infect a machine.
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:55:08 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
<[email protected]> was understood to have stated the following:

>Many of these trojans run email attacks and we get the mail. I still get somewhere
>aroung 30 copies of the Sobig virus every day, and that's a pretty old one. I have to
>add a new email filter nearly every week as more come out.


That's pretty damned sad.

I don't have this problem; the majority of people I email aren't
stupid enough to use Outlook, and I don't post my email address, so my
virus flow is virtually non existent, and my SPAM flow is even lower.
The only time I get viruses or spam is when I change my spamgourmet
address to one that hasn't filled up yet.

The last time I was getting bombarded by viruses via email was when
the "I Love You" virus was floating around, and it was because a gal I
had met on-line was an Outlooker. As soon as I received a copy of it
from her, I compared the headers from one of her emails to the one
that was associated with the virus, and identified her as the sender.
I then alerted her to the situation, and provided her with
step-by-step directions on how to remove the virus. She wasn't
interested in the effort involved in removing it, so I asked her to
remove me from her address book. She wasn't interested in doing that,
either, so I threatened to contact her ISP regarding a TOSing, and
BINGO! problem solved. :)


 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:01:10 GMT, Lon <[email protected]> was
understood to have stated the following:

> We have to listen to them whine about it. Plus we have to listen to
> people go on and on about opening email or news attachments as if that
> is the only way to infect a machine.


Usually I laugh at the whiners. The majority of the time I hear
someone whine about being infected by an email virus, it's someone
I've already discussed the pitfalls of Outlook and Microsoft with, so
it's a pretty significant case of "I told you so."


 

"David W. Poole, Jr."
<[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:01:10 GMT, Lon <[email protected]> was
> understood to have stated the following:
>
> > We have to listen to them whine about it. Plus we have to listen to
> > people go on and on about opening email or news attachments as if that
> > is the only way to infect a machine.

>
> Usually I laugh at the whiners. The majority of the time I hear
> someone whine about being infected by an email virus, it's someone
> I've already discussed the pitfalls of Outlook and Microsoft with, so
> it's a pretty significant case of "I told you so."
>
>


They are as safe as you want them to be. Update them, keep security settings
high, turn off previews, it's all common sense.
And not downloading every piece of freeware you find helps alot to. ;-)


 
The Ancient One proclaimed:

> "David W. Poole, Jr."
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:01:10 GMT, Lon <[email protected]> was
>>understood to have stated the following:
>>
>>
>>> We have to listen to them whine about it. Plus we have to listen to
>>> people go on and on about opening email or news attachments as if that
>>> is the only way to infect a machine.

>>
>>Usually I laugh at the whiners. The majority of the time I hear
>>someone whine about being infected by an email virus, it's someone
>>I've already discussed the pitfalls of Outlook and Microsoft with, so
>>it's a pretty significant case of "I told you so."
>>
>>

>
>
> They are as safe as you want them to be. Update them, keep security settings
> high, turn off previews, it's all common sense.
> And not downloading every piece of freeware you find helps alot to. ;-)
>


More correctly they are safe as long as you never visit websites that
use IIS or websites where the webmaster allows writes from outside the
firewall. Most importantly, they are most dangerous when you *think*
you know how to keep them safe without a very good knowledge of their
internals and the real implications of the local machine zone and
which other microsoft and third party programs expose you to the same
danger as reading random emails from Outlook.


 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:37:21 -0500, "The Ancient One"
<[email protected]> was understood to have stated the
following:

>They are as safe as you want them to be. Update them, keep security settings
>high, turn off previews, it's all common sense.


Well, that's all fine and good, *if* I can get to their PC to do this.
This is usually not the case... So the best advice I can give to
people who do not know how to take care of their computers on their
own is to reduce, as much as possible, their reliance and utilization
of Microsoft software.

>And not downloading every piece of freeware you find helps alot to. ;-)


That it does.


 
If I have to explain this to you, I'd rather add you to my kill file.

OTOH, if you don't receive spam and/or viruses as much as the rest of
us, then please share your "kill" file with the rest of us/world :)
-PapaRick

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David W. Poole, Jr. wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:54:23 GMT, Rick Colombo <[email protected]>
> was understood to have stated the following:
>
>
>>I suppose this is sort of "semantics", but I'm sure you have received
>>thousands of "trojan horse" and/or virus e-mails since 1995. However,
>>it is obvious that you have never been fool enough to have "opened" one
>>of these "attachments" (good for you :). Unfortunately there are so
>>many people out there that "fall" for the subject line and "open" the
>>attached e-mail, then WHAMO..., and the rest of us suffer. -PapaRick

>
>
> How do the rest of us suffer?
>
>


>>That's pretty damned sad.


>>I don't have this problem; the majority of people I email aren't
>>stupid enough to use Outlook, and I don't post my email address, so my
>>virus flow is virtually non existent, and my SPAM flow is even lower.
>>The only time I get viruses or spam is when I change my spamgourmet
>>address to one that hasn't filled up yet.


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--

-PapaRick [email protected]
1972 MGB (Blue/Black top), w/1.8L 4-cyl inline, chrome bumpers:)
1990 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme International (w/3.1L engine)
1993 Bronco 351EFI E4OD/BW1356 D44-Ford8.8/open 2"-lift 35"-tires
1996 Jaguar XJ6, w/4.0L 6cyl inline, ABS/Trac_Control, 3.54 gears

 
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:27:42 GMT, Rick Colombo <[email protected]>
was understood to have stated the following:

>If I have to explain this to you, I'd rather add you to my kill file.


You don't have to explain it to me; there was a bit of sarcasm in my
statement. Although honestly the influx of spam and viruses to my
system is extremely low. My current email address has been active for
about two and a half years; I may get a spam once every other week;
there are 67 emails in my spam folder, and I don't filter or delete.

You can add me to your kill file if you see fit; won't bother me much.
:-D

>OTOH, if you don't receive spam and/or viruses as much as the rest of
>us, then please share your "kill" file with the rest of us/world :)


No kill file; don't use 'em for email or usenet. Been nntp'ing now for
about 6 years or so, and have yet to put the kill filter to anyone.
Protecting your email account isn't as much about having a kill file
or a good set of filters, it's about reducing the possibility of
receiving the spam in the first place. Since I've already written in
this thread how I handle viruses, I'll spend the rest of this post
describing some manners to reduce the possibility your email addy will
be harvested by a spammer. For already spam receiving accounts,
though, there isn't much hope. Most of this stuff is common sense
stuff I figured out, and then read about in different sources, both
online and off.

(1) Don't post your email addy in public locations, such as a web site
or news group. If you do, use a disposable and/or munged address.

(2) When you sign up for *anything* on line, use a disposable address.

Munging addresses; you've seen it, so I won't bother to explain it in
too much detail. I will say that I would be extremely leery of doing
something like merely adding "NOSPAM" to my email address when I
posted; I believe at some point the email harvesters will start to get
wise and do global searches and cuts through their databases. Also,
for courtesy's sake, when munging an address, don't use a real server;
the server has to utilize resources just to reject the message. Of
course, this "real server" criteria doesn't apply if you choose AOL,
MSN, or WebTV. :-D

Disposable addresses are very cool; spamgourmet.com is a wonderful
idea, and I'm sure there are more like it out there. Basically, once
you've created an account with them, you can create email addresses on
the fly for whatever purpose; you don't even have to be near a
computer. Handy for giving out email addresses off-line to someone you
believe might give it to the marketing department. Anyway, after a
preset number of emails arrive through the address, the server starts
gobbling them up, unless you log on to spamgourmet.com and reset the
address(es). Spamgourmet's maximum number of emails per address is 20.
You can also set a "trusted sender" for each of your addresses,
excluding them from the limitation. Disposable address creation is
simple, although it gets a little less simple if you choose to operate
in paranoid mode. For example, I just created the
"[email protected]"
address, and as it's publicly posted, my in box will receive some
combination of spams and viruses (and possibly usenet responses)
totaling 20 unless I do something about it. After 20, they stop
coming. The nice thing about disposable addresses is that if you
create a unique email address for every company you interact with, you
will know *exactly* who sold your email address should you receive
bulk mail in the future.

(3) Recommend to your Outlook-using associates that they spend the
time to learn how to "lock it down", and that they keep their system
nice and patched. Even better is to convince them to switch to another
product, but some people have their head shoved too far up to make the
switch.

(4) If you're the recipient of anyone's mass-email-forwards, ask that
they either BCC you as opposed to CC you, and/or give them a
disposable email address with them as the trusted sender.


 
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 01:25:24 -0400, "David W. Poole, Jr."
<[email protected]> was
understood to have stated the following:

>
>(4) If you're the recipient of anyone's mass-email-forwards, ask that
>they either BCC you as opposed to CC you, and/or give them a
>disposable email address with them as the trusted sender.


Oops, forgot a few.....

(5) Don't have your email address stored in your web browser. Bad, bad
tobe.

(6) Be extremely careful when following hypertext links, or opening
emails that have remote resources referenced in an html based email.

(7) Be extremely careful when following links to a "remove me from
this list" link; this can confirm the validity of an email address for
an unscrupulous address harvester.

(8) Choose your actual email address wisely; through a number or two
in there along with the letters, and try to make your address
resilient to a dictionary attack. Protect this at all cost.

(9) Once the spam and viruses starts a'flowin, it's time to filter. If
you must filter, and your client and/or server supports it, filter
based on the addresses in your address book. Dump email not from a an
address in the book into one folder, email from an address book in
another folder. Look at the "bulk" folder every so often for senders
that "slip through the cracks" and add them to your address book.


 


"David W. Poole, Jr." wrote:
>
> Munging addresses; you've seen it, so I won't bother to explain it in
> too much detail. I will say that I would be extremely leery of doing
> something like merely adding "NOSPAM" to my email address when I
> posted; I believe at some point the email harvesters will start to get
> wise and do global searches and cuts through their databases. Also,
> for courtesy's sake, when munging an address, don't use a real server;
> the server has to utilize resources just to reject the message.


And, of course, you can't have your account with Verizon, since Verizon will block
any post or mail if you use a fake server name or a fake Verizon account name.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.
 
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