Ratty's Poll - Security devices.

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ive got still in the making a lockable (electrically and only on full lock) steering damper ive been toying with the idea of making for the past year or so.
The idea is when the landy is parked up with the steering on full lock and the ignition turned off, the battery isolator turned off, the steering damper will lock and only unlock when the battery isolator is on, the ignition is on and a proxy reader key ring is waved in front of the area the reader is hidden (could be anywhere), as an extra saftey feature the fuel solenoid will not activate untill the steering is free.
My other idea involves 12 bore cartridges
 
Thanks for that Top Cat. Thanks for also staying in topic. Too many conversations here have gotten sidetracked. Only want to hear about people's experiences and realistic advice to help everyone here.

Thanks.

S
 
Ragnar you seem almost as paranoid as me!!

Make sure you check with Si that you have the right one for your defender as there are two types. He won't have dispatched it yet so I'd drop him a line tomorrow. Lovely chap.

S
 
90TD5 said:
Ragnar you seem almost as paranoid as me!!

Make sure you check with Si that you have the right one for your defender as there are two types. He won't have dispatched it yet so I'd drop him a line tomorrow. Lovely chap.

S
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I am mate! I really am!!

I opted for the R380 (05 TD5 90 hardtop). Pretty sure that's the right one.
 
ratty said:
If you overdo the security your vehicle can be looked upon as a challenge and actually attract unwanted attention rather than put people off.
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It depends on why they are attacking it. If it's for a challenge, then you're probably right. In that case, a 90 with the keys in the ignition and the engine running will hold little appeal (although they might think it's a bait car LOL). My gut feeling is that most scallywags want profit for the least effort and risk possible.

If the target is chock full of devices (some visible, some hidden), is a pain in the arse to free of those devices and they just want the wagon with the minimum hassle (most crims I reckon), then they might just leave it and move on to easier pickings.
 
RAGNAR BENSON said:
It depends on why they are attacking it. If it's for a challenge, then you're probably right. In that case, a 90 with the keys in the ignition and the engine running will hold little appeal. My gut feeling is that most scallywags want profit for the least effort and risk possible.

If the target is chock full of devices (some visible, some hidden), is a pain in the arse to free of those devices and they just want the wagon with the minimum hassle (most crims I reckon), then they might just leave it and move on to easier pickings.
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There was a case down this way a couple of years back where someone nicked an old astra gte just cos it was secured to a stupid level. They even left all the security devices on the driveway and put the other car that was blocking it in back on the drive too, just to prove a point.
 
ratty said:
There was a case down this way a couple of years back where someone nicked an old astra gte just cos it was secured to a stupid level. They even left all the security devices on the driveway and put the other car that was blocking it in back on the drive too, just to prove a point.
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Point taken.

So the question is: how much is too much?
 
ratty said:
As much as you want that is invisible and I would say that having a couple of visible items is fine.
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OK, if I also stuck a wheel clamp on then I'd probably be ripe for the kill, and I can understand why....

.... but a clutch-claw, Disklok and gear lock isn't overtly obscene...is it? :cool:
 
ratty said:
If you overdo the security your vehicle can be looked upon as a challenge and actually attract unwanted attention rather than put people off.
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I don't think that would be considered overkill. As the Defender is understood to be a vehicle that is the second most stolen car and is normally to order/for parts - Those stealing it will realise that the owner is clued up (maybe even give them a bit of kudos) and move on to one that is easier to steal.

80% are opportunist theives and don't see that amount of security as an 'opportunity'.

19% are perhaps professionals stealing 'to order' or for parts and will move on to an easier target.

1% are retired criminals looking for a challenge to while away the hours with. Normally they take a flask of tea with them and a sandwich.

A proposed thief looking in my car then is unlikely to be Claude the retired extra from Gone in 60 Seconds.

I'll keep the three devices I have and stop at that.

S
 
90TD5 said:
I don't think that would be considered overkill. As the Defender is understood to be a vehicle that is the second most stolen car and is normally to order/for parts - Those stealing it will realise that the owner is clued up (maybe even give them a bit of kudos) and move on to one that is easier to steal.

80% are opportunist theives and don't see that amount of security as an 'opportunity'.

19% are perhaps professionals stealing 'to order' or for parts and will move on to an easier target.

1% are retired criminals looking for a challenge to while away the hours with. Normally they take a flask of tea with them and a sandwich.

A proposed thief looking in my car then is unlikely to be Claude the retired extra from Gone in 60 Seconds.

I'll keep the three devices I have and stop at that.

S
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It's obviously up to the individual but experience tells me that in some cases the bigger the challenge the more determined to succeed.
 
I think I'm with TD5 on this one, although you do have a valid point Ratty.

The gear lock is in many ways a necessary extension of the clutch-claw as one without t'other seems to be somewhat flawed.

If you were to seriously take the **** to the point that passers by pointed at your trussed up wagon and commented: 'Jesus, look what that paranoid fecker's done' then, yes, you might well attract some sort of point-making challenge, but I wouldn't have thought that three internal locks would cross that line, especially as the claw is scarcely visible from ootside.
 
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Personally I think the gear stick lock is a waste of time nothing a quick crimp with bolt cutters wouldn't sort out in the leaver stick itself, you would Have no gear knob but you could still change gear .
 
defender300td1 said:
Personally I think the gear stick lock is a waste of time nothing a quick crimp with bolt cutters wouldn't sort out in the leaver stick itself, you would Have no gear knob but you could still change gear .
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It's as much about making it a pain in the arse as anything, and it would be quite a short pointy gearstick :D

Of course you can get around most locks. I'm simply trying to make my wagon as unattractive as possible compared to the Defender at the other end of the carpark with no visible security at all (and I see far more out and about without than with).
 
RAGNAR BENSON said:
It's as much about making it a pain in the arse as anything, and it would be quite a short pointy gearstick :D

Of course you can get around most locks. I'm simply trying to make my wagon as unattractive as possible compared to the Defender at the other end of the carpark with no visible security at all (and I see far more out and about without than with).
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I was just making a point about the device itself a short stick would not bother the thief would it .
 
defender300td1 said:
I was just making a point about the device itself a short stick would not bother the thief would it .
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RAGNAR BENSON said:
I see your point. I just depends on the thief. For many, I guess not. :mil10:
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some landys have extemely short transfer levers where lazy owners chop em down in length to aid in dropping the gearbox.
 
I think that at this point the thief is going to say 'f-it'...

You could crimp the pedals.

Steer with a vice.

Crimp the gear stick and change gear with tweezers...

Not to tempt fait but...

Really?!?

S
 
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