Police AVCIS operation on Ebay sales of V5's/Vin plates but no chassis

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Party Monkey said:
Latest couple sent on to AVCIS.

It's great we've had some success and that AVCIS are taking our info seriously. All I'm doing is coordinating what gets posted up on here, LandyWatch and one or two other forums, so its most certainly an all round effort.:)
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tis good,I have to work very hard to keep hold of the landy here...it gets watched alot,im not paranoid just observant.i have noticed the same wagon a couple of times now,each time i have been followed i have gone right round a roundabout and it followed me.:mad:

the second time i drove into a field and buggered off round the headland.
Another 90 went not far from me recently and he saw nothing....

it pays to see who is watching....:mad:
 
major truma 2 said:
o no ,,i was on about the other items he has for sale
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I'd say he was someone who breaks land rovers. The auction for the vin and chassis, the pic of of a complete body + running gear as well, but the description says chassis only, so presumably he's stripping it to sell all the parts

Martin is correct that what he's doing is legal, or at least within the letter of the law, the point is though that whoever buys the chassis isn't going to rebuild it to original spec using new parts, as they'd need to do to stay legal, they're obviously going to swap the id onto another vehicle, either to avoid the LEZ rules, or worse still to clone one they nicked.

Selling ID's a a ****s trick, if he really intended the truck to be re built he'd sell it in as bigger lump as he could with most of the bits still on it, as it is, he's sold all the other parts and now he's being greedy and wants a draw for the V5 as well, even though he knows as well as you ans i do what the buyer is going to do with it.

so i think over all you're right, he does need a visit from the rozzers, if only to give him a change of attitude.
 
BasilSeal said:
I'd say he was someone who breaks land rovers. The auction for the vin and chassis, the pic of of a complete body + running gear as well, but the description says chassis only, so presumably he's stripping it to sell all the parts

Martin is correct that what he's doing is legal, or at least within the letter of the law, the point is though that whoever buys the chassis isn't going to rebuild it to original spec using new parts, as they'd need to do to stay legal, they're obviously going to swap the id onto another vehicle, either to avoid the LEZ rules, or worse still to clone one they nicked.

Selling ID's a a ****s trick, if he really intended the truck to be re built he'd sell it in as bigger lump as he could with most of the bits still on it, as it is, he's sold all the other parts and now he's being greedy and wants a draw for the V5 as well, even though he knows as well as you ans i do what the buyer is going to do with it.

so i think over all you're right, he does need a visit from the rozzers, if only to give him a change of attitude.
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What a load of ****e. only last week some poor fooker joined up ere and posted pics of his 90 that he'd just wrapped round a tree and bent the chassis. this sale would be ideal for him. he also sys that DVLA will be notified of buyers details and that V5 will go to DVLA.

I know ebay is awash with stolen landies and parts., BUT FFS not everyone is selling knock off landies :rolleyes:
 
redhand said:
What a load of ****e. only last week some poor fooker joined up ere and posted pics of his 90 that he'd just wrapped round a tree and bent the chassis. this sale would be ideal for him. he also sys that DVLA will be notified of buyers details and that V5 will go to DVLA.

I know ebay is awash with stolen landies and parts., BUT FFS not everyone is selling knock off landies :rolleyes:
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He wouldn't be needing the V5 though, would he?

the seller isn't selling the chassis, he's selling the ID.
 
Recent ones sent on to AVCIS,

I'm in two minds about the breaker lad selling the chassis+V5 as he does state a full receipt will be given but then it's all mobile numbers etc.... Still have sent it over and AVCIS can make their own minds up.

Worse case, he's legit and he gets a visit, then he nothing to worry about...
 
BasilSeal said:
He wouldn't be needing the V5 though, would he?

the seller isn't selling the chassis, he's selling the ID.
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No he is selling a chassis with its legal ID which should stay with it.
So the V5 must go with it. Which part of that dont you get.

If you damaged a Chassis the only way to replace legally would be to fit a brand new one and havr it stamped with the VIN .
You could buy a secondhand one with an ID but you legally should rebuild with the ID of the chassis and register a change of engine number with the DVLA.
 
ruffday said:
No he is selling a chassis with its legal ID which should stay with it.
So the V5 must go with it. Which part of that dont you get.

If you damaged a Chassis the only way to replace legally would be to fit a brand new one and havr it stamped with the VIN .
You could buy a secondhand one with an ID but you legally should rebuild with the ID of the chassis and register a change of engine number with the DVLA.
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According to the DVLA: (from the hybrid or ringer? thread above)

Cars and car-derived vans (this includes Land Rovers) must use:

The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).

And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.


If you're going to stick to the letter of the law, you couldn't legally use the ID without some of the other main components, according to my reading of the above.

I take your point, but to my mind, you either sell the vehicle or you sell the parts. I think it's a bit off to sell the parts then sell the chassis with the ID, knowing that the ID has a value in itself.

That ID *could* be used to clone a stolen vehicle, and i don't see any harm in flagging it up, if the seller's not doing anything wrong he has nothing to worry about, it's more a case of if AVCIS are aware of the ID, if it's ever registered again and comes up as being MOTed or taxed, it might warrant checking out to see if it's a legit rebuild or a ringer. Is that unreasonable?
 
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