Pick-up Truck Search Finally Over

"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The majority of the Toyota light trucks sold in the US are imported not
> made in the US. GM and Ford build more light trucks in the US in two
> weeks, that are made of at least 70% American parts, than Toyota sells
> trucks in a year. With the exception of the Toyotas made in the
> GM/Toyota plant, those so called made in America Toyota cars and trucks
> are only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts. Check the first
> number of the VIN you will find a '5' not a '1'
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> American union workers that are killing the American brand name? Plus -
>> how many American trucks are built in Canada and Mexico? At least
>> Japanese build them here in the US
>>
>
>

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/05/24/fin_toyota_boss.html

Toyota Motor Corp. produced more than 1 million vehicles at its North
American assembly plants last year, and the Japanese automaker isn't slowing
down.

Fujio Cho, TMC president, said Tuesday during a brief stop at
Toyota's North American manufacturing headquarters in Erlanger that his
company, now this country's fourth-largest automaker, will continue to
produce as many vehicles in the United States it can sell.



Toyota now operates four North American assembly plants employing more than
30,500.

Oh goodie! I get to correct Mister Mike Hunter! This
will be enjoyable for me because I know that Mr. Hunter knows
a lot more about cars than I do--A LOT more

Hunt wrote:
> '4' [means] Only Assembled in the US of less than 70% American
> parts but more than 40%.


Almost all the Georgetown, Kentucky Camrys I looked at said
80 percent American parts--not "less than 70 percent"
[Buzzer sound please

And the Hunter wrote:
> Current Tundra and Camry models exhibit a '5' or a 'J'

I didn't see one Camry in Columbia, Missouri or Saint Louis,
Missouri that sported a 5--they all showed either a 4 or a J.
A couple months ago, I also checked the online VIN numbers of
Longo Toyota's Camrys in the Los Angeles area because I had
briefly considered a trip to the coast to buy a Camry. But
luckily, I didn't have to go any further than Saint Louis.

"5" refers to Toyota's plant in Indiana, and there ain't a single
Camry that comes outta there. For U.S. buyers, those sweet machines
come from either Kentucky or, like mine, they come from the
Tsutsumi Plant in Aichi Japan. (The Solara comes from Canada.)

You ain't been huntin' with the Vice President have ya? I
may still be experiencing concussion problems from my last dance
with the Tercel, but I know my Camrys!!

"Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
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> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
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>> "Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>>> My father in-law has a nissan frontier thats 14 years old. It finally
>>> started to show spot rust (he lives in wisc) but other than changing
>>> oil, the thing has been rock solid for 300,000 miles. Not bad for a 4
>>> banger.
>>>
>>
>> I believe oldest Nissan Frontier you will find is only 9 years old.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
> It says Nissan on the back. I assumed it was frontier.
A 14 year old Nissan truck would just be Pickup. The Frontier name was
introduced in the late 1990's.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The NUMMI plant in Fremont, CA is NOT a former GM plant, it is a GM/Toyota
> plant. The Union contract if force at that plant requires the component
> parts of all vehicle made therein be at least 75% American. The
> GM/Toyota plant is the only unionized plant that builds Toyota vehicles.

The NUMMI plant in Fremont, CA IS a former GM plant and produced pickups
prior to the GM/Toyota JV.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The majority of the Toyota light trucks sold in the US are imported not
> made in the US.

Unless Toyota has changed its production mix, I thought the majority of
Toyota trucks sold in the U.S. were assembled in the U.S. due to high truck
tariffs.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

30,500 workers that are paid lower wages, offered fewer benefits and less
desirable medical coverage and pensions, who only assembly the vehicles in
the US of mostly imported parts that sell for 20% to 30% more than
comparable sized and equipped domestics. Get real. Do a bit of research
the only manufacture that actually builds the majority of their vehicles in
the US of mostly American parts are the domestics and Honda. All of the
others only assemble vehicle in the US of foreign parts.


mike hunt


"Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The majority of the Toyota light trucks sold in the US are imported not
>> made in the US. GM and Ford build more light trucks in the US in two
>> weeks, that are made of at least 70% American parts, than Toyota sells
>> trucks in a year. With the exception of the Toyotas made in the
>> GM/Toyota plant, those so called made in America Toyota cars and trucks
>> are only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts. Check the first
>> number of the VIN you will find a '5' not a '1'
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
> Toyota Motor Corp. produced more than 1 million vehicles at its North
> American assembly plants last year, and the Japanese automaker isn't
> slowing down.
>
> Fujio Cho, TMC president, said Tuesday during a brief stop at
> Toyota's North American manufacturing headquarters in Erlanger that his
> company, now this country's fourth-largest automaker, will continue to
> produce as many vehicles in the United States it can sell.
>
>
>
> Toyota now operates four North American assembly plants employing more
> than 30,500.
>
>
>
>
>
>

In your dreams perhaps but not in the real world. The County of origin is
the first digit of the VIN. It has nothing to do with the plant, the plant
is designated by another digit. Any vehicle that has 80% American parts, by
law, the firsts number would be a '1' not a '4' But you are correct that
some Toyota do have a '4' as well. Honda, who actually build cars in the
US of American parts and exhibit a '1', is the one that complained to the
FTC about Toyota falsely advertising that their cars were made in the US..
If you will read the fine print on Toyotas current print and TV ads you will
see Toyota is now saying 'Assembled in the US of world sourced parts.'


mike hunt


"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Oh goodie! I get to correct Mister Mike Hunter! This
> will be enjoyable for me because I know that Mr. Hunter knows
> a lot more about cars than I do--A LOT more
>
> Hunt wrote:
>> '4' [means] Only Assembled in the US of less than 70% American
>> parts but more than 40%.
>
>
> Almost all the Georgetown, Kentucky Camrys I looked at said
> 80 percent American parts--not "less than 70 percent"
> [Buzzer sound please
>
> And the Hunter wrote:
>> Current Tundra and Camry models exhibit a '5' or a 'J'
>
> I didn't see one Camry in Columbia, Missouri or Saint Louis,
> Missouri that sported a 5--they all showed either a 4 or a J.
> A couple months ago, I also checked the online VIN numbers of
> Longo Toyota's Camrys in the Los Angeles area because I had
> briefly considered a trip to the coast to buy a Camry. But
> luckily, I didn't have to go any further than Saint Louis.
>
> "5" refers to Toyota's plant in Indiana, and there ain't a single
> Camry that comes outta there. For U.S. buyers, those sweet machines
> come from either Kentucky or, like mine, they come from the
> Tsutsumi Plant in Aichi Japan. (The Solara comes from Canada.)
>
> You ain't been huntin' with the Vice President have ya? I
> may still be experiencing concussion problems from my last dance
> with the Tercel, but I know my Camrys!!

Perhap you need to do a search of NUMMI if that is what you believe.


mike hunt


"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The NUMMI plant in Fremont, CA is NOT a former GM plant, it is a
>> GM/Toyota plant. The Union contract if force at that plant requires the
>> component parts of all vehicle made therein be at least 75% American.
>> The GM/Toyota plant is the only unionized plant that builds Toyota
>> vehicles.
>
> The NUMMI plant in Fremont, CA IS a former GM plant and produced pickups
> prior to the GM/Toyota JV.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

Higher tariffs on truck went away in the late eighties.


mike hunt


"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The majority of the Toyota light trucks sold in the US are imported not
>> made in the US.
>
> Unless Toyota has changed its production mix, I thought the majority of
> Toyota trucks sold in the U.S. were assembled in the U.S. due to high
> truck tariffs.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

Well, it's true that the 11th VIN position *officially* designates
the plant: "U" means Georgetown, KY. "Z"=Fremont, CA.
"S"=Princeton, IN. "C"=Canada.
Japan plants are represented by a number in
that 11th VIN position ("3" for example is the Tsutsumi plant--but of
course a "3" in the *first* VIN position means Mexico).

Mike Hunter wrote:
>
> "Current Tundra and Camry models exhibit a '5' or a 'J'

I have to respectfully disagree Camrys do not show a
5 in the first VIN position. They'll show a "4" or a "J."
And almost all the "4" Camrys I saw had an Origin Sticker showing
80 percent American parts and 20 percent Japan. One Camry sticker
I saw showed 75 percent American Parts, 20 percent Japan, with no
explanation of the remaining 5 percent--but I only saw one unusual
sticker like that. Nearly all of the "4" Camrys were
"80% / 20%" American-to-Japan parts

"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, it's true that the 11th VIN position *officially* designates
> the plant: "U" means Georgetown, KY. "Z"=Fremont, CA.
> "S"=Princeton, IN. "C"=Canada.
> Japan plants are represented by a number in
> that 11th VIN position ("3" for example is the Tsutsumi plant--but of
> course a "3" in the *first* VIN position means Mexico).
>

My Camry has ZERO in the 11th position and J in the first position. Which
plant in Japan is that?




> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>
>> "Current Tundra and Camry models exhibit a '5' or a 'J'
>
> I have to respectfully disagree Camrys do not show a
> 5 in the first VIN position. They'll show a "4" or a "J."
> And almost all the "4" Camrys I saw had an Origin Sticker showing
> 80 percent American parts and 20 percent Japan. One Camry sticker
> I saw showed 75 percent American Parts, 20 percent Japan, with no
> explanation of the remaining 5 percent--but I only saw one unusual
> sticker like that. Nearly all of the "4" Camrys were
> "80% / 20%" American-to-Japan parts

Sharx35 wrote:
>
> My Camry has ZERO in the 11th position and J in the first position.
> Which plant in Japan is that?


I don't have a definitive list of Japan plant codes. And Google
is giving me contradictory information about what number goes
with what plant. For instance, if you look at either Page 47 OR Page 45 of the
"2005 Import Color Chip Book," you'll see what I mean by
contradictory information. Here is a link to that 2 megabyte pdf file:

http://www.martinsenour-autopaint.com/shared/formula/documents/2005_MS_Import_ColorBook.pdf

Does anyone have a good web link for the VIN plant codes for Japan?
I thought I could find them through a straight-forward Google search, but
it's not yielding anything useful and definitive. For example, the
"1982 Celica" page you'll come across in a Google search contradicts the
2005 Chip Book mentioned above. Oh well....

I can't say with certainty now if "3" refers to Tsutsumi or not.
The American letter codes are easy to find, but the Japan number codes
are not.

Gee, searching Google ain't anything like searching Lexis-Nexis.
Of course, searching Google is free, and searching Nexis might
cost you 50 bucks a pop--for one search!

I used to have free online access to Nexis searches, but don't
anymore. Nexis was wonderful. It was like
having Bullwinkle, "Mr Know-It-All" sitting next to you. You could
pretty much ask it anything and find the answer FAST.

Nexis is one helluva database.

"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sharx35 wrote:
>>
>> My Camry has ZERO in the 11th position and J in the first position.
>> Which plant in Japan is that?
>
>
> I don't have a definitive list of Japan plant codes. And Google
> is giving me contradictory information about what number goes
> with what plant. For instance, if you look at either Page 47 OR Page 45
> of the
> "2005 Import Color Chip Book," you'll see what I mean by
> contradictory information. Here is a link to that 2 megabyte pdf file:
>
> http://www.martinsenour-autopaint.com/shared/formula/documents/2005_MS_Import_ColorBook.pdf
>
> Does anyone have a good web link for the VIN plant codes for Japan?
> I thought I could find them through a straight-forward Google search, but
> it's not yielding anything useful and definitive. For example, the
> "1982 Celica" page you'll come across in a Google search contradicts the
> 2005 Chip Book mentioned above. Oh well....
>
> I can't say with certainty now if "3" refers to Tsutsumi or not.
> The American letter codes are easy to find, but the Japan number codes
> are not.

I want to that URL and here is the Toyota data:


Model Year Designation

(10th character of VIN number)

Code Year

5 2005

4 2004

3 2003

2 2002

1 2001

Y 2000

X 1999

W 1998

V 1997

T 1996

S 1995

R 1994

Assembly Plant Codes

(11th character of VIN number)

Plant Code Plant

U Georgetown, Kentucky

Z Fremont, CA (NUMMI)

C Cambridge, Ontario

S Princeton, Indiana

2 Motomachi, Japan

1 Tahara, Japan

0,1,9 Tsutsumi, Japan

0,1,9 Takaoka, Japan

1 Nagakusa, Japan

1 Sagamihara, Japan

1 Hamura, Japan

1 Fujimatsu, Japan

Sharx35 wrote:

> Assembly Plant Codes
>
> (11th character of VIN number)
>
> 2 Motomachi, Japan
>
> 1 Tahara, Japan
>
> 0,1,9 Tsutsumi, Japan
>
> 0,1,9 Takaoka, Japan
>
> 1 Nagakusa, Japan
>
> 1 Sagamihara, Japan
>
> 1 Hamura, Japan
>
> 1 Fujimatsu, Japan


Well that's what I mean by contradictory information. In
that 2005 Color Chip Book list, "1" is listed next to both
the Tsutsumi plant and the Takaoka plant and a few other names,
including Tahara. Also 0,1,9 refer to both Takaoka and Tsutsumi.
Maybe somebody can interpret these unusual alpha-numerics?

"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Perhap you need to do a search of NUMMI if that is what you believe.
>
>
> mike hunt
>

this is from the NUMMI web site: http://www.nummi.com/timeline.html

According to the NUMMI web site, GM ceased truck production in 1982, NUMMI
started in 1984 ;-)
--

Ray O
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"Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Higher tariffs on truck went away in the late eighties.
>
>
> mike hunt
>

Regardless of truck tariffs, the majority of pickup trucks sold by Toyota
are assembled in the U.S. On the other hand, SUV's other than the Sequoia
are primarily assembled in Japan.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

I'm sure you will find a number near a color chip to be a footnote LOL


mike hunt


"Built_Well" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sharx35 wrote:
>
>> Assembly Plant Codes
>>
>> (11th character of VIN number)
>>
>> 2 Motomachi, Japan
>>
>> 1 Tahara, Japan
>>
>> 0,1,9 Tsutsumi, Japan
>>
>> 0,1,9 Takaoka, Japan
>>
>> 1 Nagakusa, Japan
>>
>> 1 Sagamihara, Japan
>>
>> 1 Hamura, Japan
>>
>> 1 Fujimatsu, Japan
>
>
> Well that's what I mean by contradictory information. In
> that 2005 Color Chip Book list, "1" is listed next to both
> the Tsutsumi plant and the Takaoka plant and a few other names,
> including Tahara. Also 0,1,9 refer to both Takaoka and Tsutsumi.
> Maybe somebody can interpret these unusual alpha-numerics?

Precisely, merely assembled of mostly foreign parts, but not made in the US.
That is why they have a '4' '5' or 'J' and not a '1' The only exceptions
are those vehicles made in the GM/Toyota plant in California, where the UAW
contract requires 75% American parts, those vehicles have a '1' as required
by federal law.


mike hunt


"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Higher tariffs on truck went away in the late eighties.
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>
> Regardless of truck tariffs, the majority of pickup trucks sold by Toyota
> are assembled in the U.S. On the other hand, SUV's other than the Sequoia
> are primarily assembled in Japan.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

Built_Well wrote:

> Gee, searching Google ain't anything like searching Lexis-Nexis. Of
> course, searching Google is free, and searching Nexis might cost you 50
> bucks a pop--for one search!
>
> I used to have free online access to Nexis searches, but don't anymore.
> Nexis was wonderful. It was like having Bullwinkle, "Mr Know-It-All"
> sitting next to you. You could pretty much ask it anything and find the
> answer FAST.
>
> Nexis is one helluva database.


Senator Google, I knew Lexis-Nexis. Lexis-Nexis was a friend of
mine. Senator Google, you're no Lexis-Nexis.

Hmm, Lexis-Nexis "Ala Carte" service is available on line at
reasonable prices. LexisNexis.com