Pick-up Truck Search Finally Over

After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally picked
one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son managed
to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
decision.

The candidates were -

Toyota Tacoma
Toyota Tundra
Ford F150
Chevrolet Colorado
Nissan Frontier

The winner was the Nissan Frontier. The Frontier was selected more as the
last one standing than because it was my initial favorite. Initially, I
ranked them:

Tacoma
Colorado
F150
Tundra
Frontier

I wanted a smaller truck, with 4WD, an automatic, and air conditioning. I
eliminated the Tacoma because it was not price competitive. Of the five
Toyota dealers closest to me, the lowest quoted price (w/o taxes and tags)
was over $26K for a truck that met my minimum requirements (it had options I
did not need, but they all did). I really wanted to like the Colorado and
was close to buying one, but after setting in the truck and looking at the
construction, I just decided to pass. It didn't help that I just had a
horrible experience with another GM product (2003 Saturn Vue) and that the
Colorado was the second most expensive truck I priced. The F150 was a very
very nice truck. For most "ride around" truck buyers, it would be the best.
But I hate the fact that they jacked the truck up so high and then raised
the bed sides. For my use on a farm, it is just not suitable. Equipped as I
wanted it, the Ford had the lowest quoted price but in the end I just
decided it was not suitable for me, despite my long term satisfaction with
my old F150. I think Ford has decided to copy the Chevrolet Silverado and
target the F150 to people who buy trucks as alternate cars that can
intimidate the neighbors and occasionally carry light loads. I wanted to
like the Tundra. Over the last two years, I have test driven several
(regular cab, extended cab, double cab), but in the end it is just a third
rate copy of the old style (pre-2004) F150. It is big on the outside, while
being cramped on the inside (regular cab) and they don't make a short
wheelbase regular cab model (I wanted a shorter truck than the long bed
model). Plus, the few I have seen in farm use just don't hold up. The Tundra
was the second cheapest vehicle (almost the same as the Ford). The Tacoma is
a better truck than the Tundra for me. And from what I have seen, Toyota is
about to lay a giant egg with the new even larger Tundra. This left the
Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look at one, since my feeling was
that it was about the same size as the Tacoma and would be priced the same.
This turned out to be wrong. The 4WD extended cab Frontier with the V6 and
automatic was significantly cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma. The rear
seats are a joke, but then I don't plan to use them as seats. The bed height
was perfect, and the bed size was good. The V-6 has lots of power (more than
needed). The seats are comfortable. The Frontier was not as cheap as the
F150 or Tundra, but then it had more options (both the F150 and Tundra were
stripped down "work trucks"). The Frontier had more stuff than I needed
(power mirrors, power windows, power locks, etc, towing package, bed liner,
CD player), but it was so close to the F150 work truck in price, and a
better size, that I decided to give it a shot. At over $4000 less than the
Tacoma, how wrong could I go?

Ed

C. E. White wrote:
> At over $4000 less than the
> Tacoma, how wrong could I go?
>

I wish you the best of luck.

I made the exact same decision, for identical reasons, in 1996.

In '05 I bought a Tacoma. <G>

"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote:

> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally
> picked one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old
> son managed to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me
> into making a decision.
> ... This left the Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look
> at one, since my feeling was that it was about the same size as the
> Tacoma and would be priced the same. This turned out to be wrong.

Well, it MIGHT always happen that Nissan will turn the corner and make a
vehicle that will actually survive, intact, for ten years.

Good luck on your crapshoot.. my bet is you'll have an engine and tranny...
mebbe the complete running gear.. survive and wish you could transplant
'em.

BTW, did you actually LOOK for/at any 10 year old Nissan trucks?


--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

Big mistake. You will regret it.

(Just kidding. Enjoy your new vehicle.)


"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:43f49f26$1@kcnews01...
> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally
> picked
> one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son managed
> to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
> decision.
>
> The candidates were -
>
> Toyota Tacoma
> Toyota Tundra
> Ford F150
> Chevrolet Colorado
> Nissan Frontier
>
> The winner was the Nissan Frontier. The Frontier was selected more as the
> last one standing than because it was my initial favorite. Initially, I
> ranked them:
>
> Tacoma
> Colorado
> F150
> Tundra
> Frontier
>
> I wanted a smaller truck, with 4WD, an automatic, and air conditioning. I
> eliminated the Tacoma because it was not price competitive. Of the five
> Toyota dealers closest to me, the lowest quoted price (w/o taxes and tags)
> was over $26K for a truck that met my minimum requirements (it had options
> I
> did not need, but they all did). I really wanted to like the Colorado and
> was close to buying one, but after setting in the truck and looking at the
> construction, I just decided to pass. It didn't help that I just had a
> horrible experience with another GM product (2003 Saturn Vue) and that the
> Colorado was the second most expensive truck I priced. The F150 was a very
> very nice truck. For most "ride around" truck buyers, it would be the
> best.
> But I hate the fact that they jacked the truck up so high and then raised
> the bed sides. For my use on a farm, it is just not suitable. Equipped as
> I
> wanted it, the Ford had the lowest quoted price but in the end I just
> decided it was not suitable for me, despite my long term satisfaction with
> my old F150. I think Ford has decided to copy the Chevrolet Silverado and
> target the F150 to people who buy trucks as alternate cars that can
> intimidate the neighbors and occasionally carry light loads. I wanted to
> like the Tundra. Over the last two years, I have test driven several
> (regular cab, extended cab, double cab), but in the end it is just a third
> rate copy of the old style (pre-2004) F150. It is big on the outside,
> while
> being cramped on the inside (regular cab) and they don't make a short
> wheelbase regular cab model (I wanted a shorter truck than the long bed
> model). Plus, the few I have seen in farm use just don't hold up. The
> Tundra
> was the second cheapest vehicle (almost the same as the Ford). The Tacoma
> is
> a better truck than the Tundra for me. And from what I have seen, Toyota
> is
> about to lay a giant egg with the new even larger Tundra. This left the
> Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look at one, since my feeling
> was
> that it was about the same size as the Tacoma and would be priced the
> same.
> This turned out to be wrong. The 4WD extended cab Frontier with the V6 and
> automatic was significantly cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma. The rear
> seats are a joke, but then I don't plan to use them as seats. The bed
> height
> was perfect, and the bed size was good. The V-6 has lots of power (more
> than
> needed). The seats are comfortable. The Frontier was not as cheap as the
> F150 or Tundra, but then it had more options (both the F150 and Tundra
> were
> stripped down "work trucks"). The Frontier had more stuff than I needed
> (power mirrors, power windows, power locks, etc, towing package, bed
> liner,
> CD player), but it was so close to the F150 work truck in price, and a
> better size, that I decided to give it a shot. At over $4000 less than the
> Tacoma, how wrong could I go?
>
> Ed
>
>

"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:43f49f26$1@kcnews01...
> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally
> picked
> one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son managed
> to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
> decision.
>
> The candidates were -
>
> Toyota Tacoma
> Toyota Tundra
> Ford F150
> Chevrolet Colorado
> Nissan Frontier
>

Just curious because I like to know how and why people make their vehicle
decisions...

I see that you looked at 2 full-size trucks and 3 mid-size trucks, which I
can understand. Why not look at the Ford Ranger, Chevrolet Silverado, and
Nissan full-size as well? Why not Dodge trucks?

<purchase decision process snipped>


> Ed

Good luck with your new ride!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Similar situation, had a 1978 K20, low miles with mansize rust holes
about the body. I didn't need the large capacity and size, so looked at
smaller trucks. Always had Chevy and looked at Colorado. Not thrilled at
no 6 cyl. engine available. When I saw the newer version of the
Frontier come out around Dec. '04, waited until the dealers had some in
stock. Compared features, looks, etc. of other models you mentioned, and
got a Frontier King Cab in Mar. '05. Great vehicle.

C. E. White wrote:
> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally picked
> one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son managed
> to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
> decision.
>
> The candidates were -
>
> Toyota Tacoma
> Toyota Tundra
> Ford F150
> Chevrolet Colorado
> Nissan Frontier
>
> The winner was the Nissan Frontier. The Frontier was selected more as the
> last one standing than because it was my initial favorite. Initially, I
> ranked them:
>
> Tacoma
> Colorado
> F150
> Tundra
> Frontier
>
> I wanted a smaller truck, with 4WD, an automatic, and air conditioning. I
> eliminated the Tacoma because it was not price competitive. Of the five
> Toyota dealers closest to me, the lowest quoted price (w/o taxes and tags)
> was over $26K for a truck that met my minimum requirements (it had options I
> did not need, but they all did). I really wanted to like the Colorado and
> was close to buying one, but after setting in the truck and looking at the
> construction, I just decided to pass. It didn't help that I just had a
> horrible experience with another GM product (2003 Saturn Vue) and that the
> Colorado was the second most expensive truck I priced. The F150 was a very
> very nice truck. For most "ride around" truck buyers, it would be the best.
> But I hate the fact that they jacked the truck up so high and then raised
> the bed sides. For my use on a farm, it is just not suitable. Equipped as I
> wanted it, the Ford had the lowest quoted price but in the end I just
> decided it was not suitable for me, despite my long term satisfaction with
> my old F150. I think Ford has decided to copy the Chevrolet Silverado and
> target the F150 to people who buy trucks as alternate cars that can
> intimidate the neighbors and occasionally carry light loads. I wanted to
> like the Tundra. Over the last two years, I have test driven several
> (regular cab, extended cab, double cab), but in the end it is just a third
> rate copy of the old style (pre-2004) F150. It is big on the outside, while
> being cramped on the inside (regular cab) and they don't make a short
> wheelbase regular cab model (I wanted a shorter truck than the long bed
> model). Plus, the few I have seen in farm use just don't hold up. The Tundra
> was the second cheapest vehicle (almost the same as the Ford). The Tacoma is
> a better truck than the Tundra for me. And from what I have seen, Toyota is
> about to lay a giant egg with the new even larger Tundra. This left the
> Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look at one, since my feeling was
> that it was about the same size as the Tacoma and would be priced the same.
> This turned out to be wrong. The 4WD extended cab Frontier with the V6 and
> automatic was significantly cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma. The rear
> seats are a joke, but then I don't plan to use them as seats. The bed height
> was perfect, and the bed size was good. The V-6 has lots of power (more than
> needed). The seats are comfortable. The Frontier was not as cheap as the
> F150 or Tundra, but then it had more options (both the F150 and Tundra were
> stripped down "work trucks"). The Frontier had more stuff than I needed
> (power mirrors, power windows, power locks, etc, towing package, bed liner,
> CD player), but it was so close to the F150 work truck in price, and a
> better size, that I decided to give it a shot. At over $4000 less than the
> Tacoma, how wrong could I go?
>
> Ed
>
>

Different strokes! I looked at them all and bought a Tundra. So far I love
it. Quiet, powerful, smooth ride... seems to haul crap just fine. The bed
dents easily but then again don't they all if you toss rounds of firewood in
them...

-jeff

in article 43f49f26$1@kcnews01, C. E. White at [email protected]
wrote on 2/16/06 7:46 AM:

> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally picked
> one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son managed
> to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
> decision.
>
> The candidates were -
>
> Toyota Tacoma
> Toyota Tundra
> Ford F150
> Chevrolet Colorado
> Nissan Frontier
>
> The winner was the Nissan Frontier. The Frontier was selected more as the
> last one standing than because it was my initial favorite. Initially, I
> ranked them:
>
> Tacoma
> Colorado
> F150
> Tundra
> Frontier
>
> I wanted a smaller truck, with 4WD, an automatic, and air conditioning. I
> eliminated the Tacoma because it was not price competitive. Of the five
> Toyota dealers closest to me, the lowest quoted price (w/o taxes and tags)
> was over $26K for a truck that met my minimum requirements (it had options I
> did not need, but they all did). I really wanted to like the Colorado and
> was close to buying one, but after setting in the truck and looking at the
> construction, I just decided to pass. It didn't help that I just had a
> horrible experience with another GM product (2003 Saturn Vue) and that the
> Colorado was the second most expensive truck I priced. The F150 was a very
> very nice truck. For most "ride around" truck buyers, it would be the best.
> But I hate the fact that they jacked the truck up so high and then raised
> the bed sides. For my use on a farm, it is just not suitable. Equipped as I
> wanted it, the Ford had the lowest quoted price but in the end I just
> decided it was not suitable for me, despite my long term satisfaction with
> my old F150. I think Ford has decided to copy the Chevrolet Silverado and
> target the F150 to people who buy trucks as alternate cars that can
> intimidate the neighbors and occasionally carry light loads. I wanted to
> like the Tundra. Over the last two years, I have test driven several
> (regular cab, extended cab, double cab), but in the end it is just a third
> rate copy of the old style (pre-2004) F150. It is big on the outside, while
> being cramped on the inside (regular cab) and they don't make a short
> wheelbase regular cab model (I wanted a shorter truck than the long bed
> model). Plus, the few I have seen in farm use just don't hold up. The Tundra
> was the second cheapest vehicle (almost the same as the Ford). The Tacoma is
> a better truck than the Tundra for me. And from what I have seen, Toyota is
> about to lay a giant egg with the new even larger Tundra. This left the
> Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look at one, since my feeling was
> that it was about the same size as the Tacoma and would be priced the same.
> This turned out to be wrong. The 4WD extended cab Frontier with the V6 and
> automatic was significantly cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma. The rear
> seats are a joke, but then I don't plan to use them as seats. The bed height
> was perfect, and the bed size was good. The V-6 has lots of power (more than
> needed). The seats are comfortable. The Frontier was not as cheap as the
> F150 or Tundra, but then it had more options (both the F150 and Tundra were
> stripped down "work trucks"). The Frontier had more stuff than I needed
> (power mirrors, power windows, power locks, etc, towing package, bed liner,
> CD player), but it was so close to the F150 work truck in price, and a
> better size, that I decided to give it a shot. At over $4000 less than the
> Tacoma, how wrong could I go?
>
> Ed
>
>

"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:43f49f26$1@kcnews01...
> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally
> picked
> one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son managed
> to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
> decision.
>
> The candidates were -
>
> Toyota Tacoma
> Toyota Tundra
> Ford F150
> Chevrolet Colorado
> Nissan Frontier
>
> The winner was the Nissan Frontier. The Frontier was selected more as the
> last one standing than because it was my initial favorite. Initially, I
> ranked them:
>
> Tacoma
> Colorado
> F150
> Tundra
> Frontier
>
> I wanted a smaller truck, with 4WD, an automatic, and air conditioning. I
> eliminated the Tacoma because it was not price competitive. Of the five
> Toyota dealers closest to me, the lowest quoted price (w/o taxes and tags)
> was over $26K for a truck that met my minimum requirements (it had options
> I
> did not need, but they all did). I really wanted to like the Colorado and
> was close to buying one, but after setting in the truck and looking at the
> construction, I just decided to pass. It didn't help that I just had a
> horrible experience with another GM product (2003 Saturn Vue) and that the
> Colorado was the second most expensive truck I priced. The F150 was a very
> very nice truck. For most "ride around" truck buyers, it would be the
> best.
> But I hate the fact that they jacked the truck up so high and then raised
> the bed sides. For my use on a farm, it is just not suitable. Equipped as
> I
> wanted it, the Ford had the lowest quoted price but in the end I just
> decided it was not suitable for me, despite my long term satisfaction with
> my old F150. I think Ford has decided to copy the Chevrolet Silverado and
> target the F150 to people who buy trucks as alternate cars that can
> intimidate the neighbors and occasionally carry light loads. I wanted to
> like the Tundra. Over the last two years, I have test driven several
> (regular cab, extended cab, double cab), but in the end it is just a third
> rate copy of the old style (pre-2004) F150. It is big on the outside,
> while
> being cramped on the inside (regular cab) and they don't make a short
> wheelbase regular cab model (I wanted a shorter truck than the long bed
> model). Plus, the few I have seen in farm use just don't hold up. The
> Tundra
> was the second cheapest vehicle (almost the same as the Ford). The Tacoma
> is
> a better truck than the Tundra for me. And from what I have seen, Toyota
> is
> about to lay a giant egg with the new even larger Tundra. This left the
> Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look at one, since my feeling
> was
> that it was about the same size as the Tacoma and would be priced the
> same.
> This turned out to be wrong. The 4WD extended cab Frontier with the V6 and
> automatic was significantly cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma. The rear
> seats are a joke, but then I don't plan to use them as seats. The bed
> height
> was perfect, and the bed size was good. The V-6 has lots of power (more
> than
> needed). The seats are comfortable. The Frontier was not as cheap as the
> F150 or Tundra, but then it had more options (both the F150 and Tundra
> were
> stripped down "work trucks"). The Frontier had more stuff than I needed
> (power mirrors, power windows, power locks, etc, towing package, bed
> liner,
> CD player), but it was so close to the F150 work truck in price, and a
> better size, that I decided to give it a shot. At over $4000 less than the
> Tacoma, how wrong could I go?
>
> Ed
>
>

My father in-law has a nissan frontier thats 14 years old. It finally
started to show spot rust (he lives in wisc) but other than changing oil,
the thing has been rock solid for 300,000 miles. Not bad for a 4 banger.

"Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>

> My father in-law has a nissan frontier thats 14 years old. It finally
> started to show spot rust (he lives in wisc) but other than changing oil,
> the thing has been rock solid for 300,000 miles. Not bad for a 4 banger.
>

I believe oldest Nissan Frontier you will find is only 9 years old.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>
>> My father in-law has a nissan frontier thats 14 years old. It finally
>> started to show spot rust (he lives in wisc) but other than changing oil,
>> the thing has been rock solid for 300,000 miles. Not bad for a 4 banger.
>>
>
> I believe oldest Nissan Frontier you will find is only 9 years old.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

It says Nissan on the back. I assumed it was frontier.

Ed,

Thanks for supporting US workers! We all appreciate it. Not!

By the way, I have a neighbor with a Fronteer that has been in the shop
twice in its first 4 months. My 2005 F150 has never been back and
everything is perfect...

Kirt

"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:43f49f26$1@kcnews01...
> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally
> picked
> one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son managed
> to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
> decision.
>
> The candidates were -
>
> Toyota Tacoma
> Toyota Tundra
> Ford F150
> Chevrolet Colorado
> Nissan Frontier
>
> The winner was the Nissan Frontier. The Frontier was selected more as the
> last one standing than because it was my initial favorite. Initially, I
> ranked them:
>
> Tacoma
> Colorado
> F150
> Tundra
> Frontier
>
> I wanted a smaller truck, with 4WD, an automatic, and air conditioning. I
> eliminated the Tacoma because it was not price competitive. Of the five
> Toyota dealers closest to me, the lowest quoted price (w/o taxes and tags)
> was over $26K for a truck that met my minimum requirements (it had options
> I
> did not need, but they all did). I really wanted to like the Colorado and
> was close to buying one, but after setting in the truck and looking at the
> construction, I just decided to pass. It didn't help that I just had a
> horrible experience with another GM product (2003 Saturn Vue) and that the
> Colorado was the second most expensive truck I priced. The F150 was a very
> very nice truck. For most "ride around" truck buyers, it would be the
> best.
> But I hate the fact that they jacked the truck up so high and then raised
> the bed sides. For my use on a farm, it is just not suitable. Equipped as
> I
> wanted it, the Ford had the lowest quoted price but in the end I just
> decided it was not suitable for me, despite my long term satisfaction with
> my old F150. I think Ford has decided to copy the Chevrolet Silverado and
> target the F150 to people who buy trucks as alternate cars that can
> intimidate the neighbors and occasionally carry light loads. I wanted to
> like the Tundra. Over the last two years, I have test driven several
> (regular cab, extended cab, double cab), but in the end it is just a third
> rate copy of the old style (pre-2004) F150. It is big on the outside,
> while
> being cramped on the inside (regular cab) and they don't make a short
> wheelbase regular cab model (I wanted a shorter truck than the long bed
> model). Plus, the few I have seen in farm use just don't hold up. The
> Tundra
> was the second cheapest vehicle (almost the same as the Ford). The Tacoma
> is
> a better truck than the Tundra for me. And from what I have seen, Toyota
> is
> about to lay a giant egg with the new even larger Tundra. This left the
> Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look at one, since my feeling
> was
> that it was about the same size as the Tacoma and would be priced the
> same.
> This turned out to be wrong. The 4WD extended cab Frontier with the V6 and
> automatic was significantly cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma. The rear
> seats are a joke, but then I don't plan to use them as seats. The bed
> height
> was perfect, and the bed size was good. The V-6 has lots of power (more
> than
> needed). The seats are comfortable. The Frontier was not as cheap as the
> F150 or Tundra, but then it had more options (both the F150 and Tundra
> were
> stripped down "work trucks"). The Frontier had more stuff than I needed
> (power mirrors, power windows, power locks, etc, towing package, bed
> liner,
> CD player), but it was so close to the F150 work truck in price, and a
> better size, that I decided to give it a shot. At over $4000 less than the
> Tacoma, how wrong could I go?
>
> Ed
>
>

Dan J.S. wrote:

> It says Nissan on the back. I assumed it was frontier.

It wasn't called "Frontier" back then. It was simply an unnamed "pickup",
just like Toyota's pickup before the "Tacoma" name was adopted.

The Frontier name first appeared for '98.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:30:10 -0600, "Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>My father in-law has a nissan frontier thats 14 years old. It finally
>started to show spot rust (he lives in wisc) but other than changing oil,
>the thing has been rock solid for 300,000 miles. Not bad for a 4 banger.

Especially since the Nissan Frontier was introduced in '97. <G>

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:16:04 -0500, High Tech Misfit <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Dan J.S. wrote:
>
>> It says Nissan on the back. I assumed it was frontier.
>
>It wasn't called "Frontier" back then. It was simply an unnamed "pickup",

Unless it was a "King Cab".

I had a 1996 Nissan King Cab.

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:09:31 GMT, "Kirt Burgtorf"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Ed,
>
>Thanks for supporting US workers! We all appreciate it. Not!

Aren't Frontiers built in Tennessee, or at least in the US? My '96
King Cab was, proudly proclaimed by a blue and white window decal.

Heck, my Tacoma was built my NUMMI, in Fremont, CA, a former GM plant.
My Subaru Outback is from Indiana.

If you're going to break someone's balls about their vehicle, at least
you can learn some facts first.

My 92 Sentra SE-R was built in Smyrna Tennessee. My 94 Trans Am was built
in Canada. Forget which one is the "American" car.


"Bonehenge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:09:31 GMT, "Kirt Burgtorf"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ed,
>>
>>Thanks for supporting US workers! We all appreciate it. Not!
>
> Aren't Frontiers built in Tennessee, or at least in the US? My '96
> King Cab was, proudly proclaimed by a blue and white window decal.
>
> Heck, my Tacoma was built my NUMMI, in Fremont, CA, a former GM plant.
> My Subaru Outback is from Indiana.
>
> If you're going to break someone's balls about their vehicle, at least
> you can learn some facts first.

"Kirt Burgtorf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for supporting US workers! We all appreciate it. Not!
>
> By the way, I have a neighbor with a Fronteer that has been in the shop
> twice in its first 4 months. My 2005 F150 has never been back and
> everything is perfect...
>
> Kirt

American union workers that are killing the American brand name? Plus - how
many American trucks are built in Canada and Mexico? At least Japanese build
them here in the US

"Kirt Burgtorf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for supporting US workers! We all appreciate it. Not!
>
> By the way, I have a neighbor with a Fronteer that has been in the shop
> twice in its first 4 months. My 2005 F150 has never been back and
> everything is perfect...
>
> Kirt
>
> "C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:43f49f26$1@kcnews01...
>> After agonizing for over a year over which pick-up to buy, I finally
>> picked
>> one. I had a 14 year old F150 that I loved, but my 16 year old son
>> managed
>> to severely injure it (no reverse) which finally forced me into making a
>> decision.
>>
>> The candidates were -
>>
>> Toyota Tacoma
>> Toyota Tundra
>> Ford F150
>> Chevrolet Colorado
>> Nissan Frontier
>>
>> The winner was the Nissan Frontier. The Frontier was selected more as the
>> last one standing than because it was my initial favorite. Initially, I
>> ranked them:
>>
>> Tacoma
>> Colorado
>> F150
>> Tundra
>> Frontier
>>
>> I wanted a smaller truck, with 4WD, an automatic, and air conditioning. I
>> eliminated the Tacoma because it was not price competitive. Of the five
>> Toyota dealers closest to me, the lowest quoted price (w/o taxes and
>> tags)
>> was over $26K for a truck that met my minimum requirements (it had
>> options I
>> did not need, but they all did). I really wanted to like the Colorado and
>> was close to buying one, but after setting in the truck and looking at
>> the
>> construction, I just decided to pass. It didn't help that I just had a
>> horrible experience with another GM product (2003 Saturn Vue) and that
>> the
>> Colorado was the second most expensive truck I priced. The F150 was a
>> very
>> very nice truck. For most "ride around" truck buyers, it would be the
>> best.
>> But I hate the fact that they jacked the truck up so high and then raised
>> the bed sides. For my use on a farm, it is just not suitable. Equipped as
>> I
>> wanted it, the Ford had the lowest quoted price but in the end I just
>> decided it was not suitable for me, despite my long term satisfaction
>> with
>> my old F150. I think Ford has decided to copy the Chevrolet Silverado and
>> target the F150 to people who buy trucks as alternate cars that can
>> intimidate the neighbors and occasionally carry light loads. I wanted to
>> like the Tundra. Over the last two years, I have test driven several
>> (regular cab, extended cab, double cab), but in the end it is just a
>> third
>> rate copy of the old style (pre-2004) F150. It is big on the outside,
>> while
>> being cramped on the inside (regular cab) and they don't make a short
>> wheelbase regular cab model (I wanted a shorter truck than the long bed
>> model). Plus, the few I have seen in farm use just don't hold up. The
>> Tundra
>> was the second cheapest vehicle (almost the same as the Ford). The Tacoma
>> is
>> a better truck than the Tundra for me. And from what I have seen, Toyota
>> is
>> about to lay a giant egg with the new even larger Tundra. This left the
>> Frontier. Initially I wasn't even going to look at one, since my feeling
>> was
>> that it was about the same size as the Tacoma and would be priced the
>> same.
>> This turned out to be wrong. The 4WD extended cab Frontier with the V6
>> and
>> automatic was significantly cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma. The rear
>> seats are a joke, but then I don't plan to use them as seats. The bed
>> height
>> was perfect, and the bed size was good. The V-6 has lots of power (more
>> than
>> needed). The seats are comfortable. The Frontier was not as cheap as the
>> F150 or Tundra, but then it had more options (both the F150 and Tundra
>> were
>> stripped down "work trucks"). The Frontier had more stuff than I needed
>> (power mirrors, power windows, power locks, etc, towing package, bed
>> liner,
>> CD player), but it was so close to the F150 work truck in price, and a
>> better size, that I decided to give it a shot. At over $4000 less than
>> the
>> Tacoma, how wrong could I go?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>
>

My Colorado has been in the shop 3 times in the past 6months. Tacoma never
went in for anything.
Thanks for buying American ? I'll rethink that the next time I buy American.

American and proud of it.

The NUMMI plant in Fremont, CA is NOT a former GM plant, it is a GM/Toyota
plant. The Union contract if force at that plant requires the component
parts of all vehicle made therein be at least 75% American. The GM/Toyota
plant is the only unionized plant that builds Toyota vehicles.

It is easy to determine where a vehicle was made, as well as of what
percentage of the parts are American. Under federal law if the first number
of the VIN is as follows the vehicle was:

'1' Made in the US of at least 70% American parts.
'2' Made in Canada of at least 40% American parts (could be 100% American
parts)
'3' Made in Mexico of at least 40% American parts (could be 100% American
parts)
'4' Only Assembled in the US of less than 70% American parts but more than
40%
'5' Only Assembled in the US of less than 40% American parts (could be zero
American parts)
'J' Made in Japan
'K' Made in Korea (etc.)

I.E. Current Tundra and Camry models exhibit a '5' or a 'J'


mike hunt



Bonehenge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:09:31 GMT, "Kirt Burgtorf"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ed,
>>
>>Thanks for supporting US workers! We all appreciate it. Not!
>
> Aren't Frontiers built in Tennessee, or at least in the US? My '96
> King Cab was, proudly proclaimed by a blue and white window decal.
>
> Heck, my Tacoma was built my NUMMI, in Fremont, CA, a former GM plant.
> My Subaru Outback is from Indiana.
>
> If you're going to break someone's balls about their vehicle, at least
> you can learn some facts first.

The majority of the Toyota light trucks sold in the US are imported not made
in the US. GM and Ford build more light trucks in the US in two weeks,
that are made of at least 70% American parts, than Toyota sells trucks in a
year. With the exception of the Toyotas made in the GM/Toyota plant, those
so called made in America Toyota cars and trucks are only assembled in the
US of mostly imported parts. Check the first number of the VIN you will
find a '5' not a '1'


mike hunt


"Dan J.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message

> American union workers that are killing the American brand name? Plus -
> how many American trucks are built in Canada and Mexico? At least Japanese
> build them here in the US
>