P38 on springs- Poor ride quality!

oakey · Oct 22, 2015

You cant compare EAS with coils, EAS is a totally different ball park. It's really a very simple system and like other posts have said it works a treat if looked after. I would also recommend EAS diagnostics and if worried a set of Schrader valves as a belt and braces. You will never go back to coils

300bhp/ton · Oct 22, 2015

PastyMuncher83 said:
Very boaty unstable jelly like ride, lots of body roll it's so bad that if you have 2 rear passengers the will be banging heads across the middle seat driving round corners even on A roads.

There is one small pothole on the slow lane of the A303 on my way home that I rode over once at 70 and thought it was going to roll over! Same place speed in my classic hardly noticed it. Something is seriously not right, every passenger that's been in it comments on it.

I have 18" wheels, and replaced the shocks a few months ago.

Just wondered if anyone could vouch for the bearmach springs?

To be honest that sounds like a much bigger issue than springs. Are you sure your axles are actually fitted to the vehicle correctly.

ukadamwest · Oct 22, 2015

300bhp/ton said:
To be honest that sounds like a much bigger issue than springs. Are you sure your axles are actually fitted to the vehicle correctly.

If it's been bodged by having coils on who knows !

Grrrrrr · Oct 22, 2015

300bhp/ton said:
To be honest that sounds like a much bigger issue than springs. Are you sure your axles are actually fitted to the vehicle correctly.

It does sound bad.

wammers · Oct 22, 2015

Grrrrrr said:
It does sound bad.

Is he sure it's a P38 and not an early Classic they drove like that?

PastyMuncher83 · Oct 23, 2015

300bhp/ton said:
To be honest that sounds like a much bigger issue than springs. Are you sure your axles are actually fitted to the vehicle correctly.

I've just had it mot'd at my well trusted local garage and had mentioned the ride quality issue beforehand as would rather know if there's an issue and went straight thru with a green light for all suspension components.

PastyMuncher83 · Oct 23, 2015

domino said:
If you do it right you wont be stranded. Have a look at my previous posts (early this year) on being stranded with the EAS... it was because I didn't sort things correctly. As long as you have the schrader valves in the glove box you wont be stranded..but they shouldn't be needed if you've sorted it correctly in the first place. Learn from my mistake.

I will research this in detail once I've committed to fitting the bags, only a couple weeks away, maybe in touch shortly!!

jamesmartin · Oct 23, 2015

PastyMuncher83 said:
I've just had it mot'd at my well trusted local garage and had mentioned the ride quality issue beforehand as would rather know if there's an issue and went straight thru with a green light for all suspension components.

ride issues wouldnt be a concern only the condition of parts fitted, with the right coil springs it should be a firm well handling vehicle, though not height adjustable

wammers · Oct 23, 2015

jamesmartin said:
ride issues wouldnt be a concern only the condition of parts fitted, with the right coil springs it should be a firm well handling vehicle, though not height adjustable

And more likely to tip over at speed. Just like the early classic.

vilguy · Oct 23, 2015

tomcat59alan said:
19" are not recommended for the P38, you may have an insurance issue.

No issues at all

wammers · Oct 23, 2015

vilguy said:
No issues at all

I have 19" TD6 L322 wheels on mine no problems, drives as if on rails, just a slightly harsher ride at lower speeds on bumpy stuff lightly loaded.

300bhp/ton · Oct 23, 2015

wammers said:
And more likely to tip over at speed. Just like the early classic.

Actually I think it's the latter classics with ARB's that would be easier to flip. Much more snatchy on the limit. And when you reach the point the ARB's can't cope, they will suddenly pitch.

300bhp/ton · Oct 23, 2015

ukadamwest said:
If it's been bodged by having coils on who knows !

Well maybe yes. Although there is no reason why it can't be made to ride and handle well on coils. Lots and lots of other cars do, including a good number of Land Rover's.

West Slope Rover · Oct 23, 2015

300bhp/ton said:
Well maybe yes. Although there is no reason why it can't be made to ride and handle well on coils. Lots and lots of other cars do, including a good number of Land Rover's.

My RRC rides very well coils. It has for several years now. Bilstein HD's.

wammers · Oct 23, 2015

300bhp/ton said:
Actually I think it's the latter classics with ARB's that would be easier to flip. Much more snatchy on the limit. And when you reach the point the ARB's can't cope, they will suddenly pitch.

The early Classics were bloody dangerous at speed on twisty roads believe me, i road tested enough of them to know that. The rear ARB was introduced to try and calm them down. But things were never completely cured. Nothing like as good as a P38 on air which is in a different class.

domino · Oct 23, 2015

I've just spend the weekend throwing the RR round really twisty single track roads - never shat my pants once.

jamesmartin · Oct 23, 2015

wammers said:
The early Classics were bloody dangerous at speed on twisty roads believe me, i road tested enough of them to know that. The rear ARB was introduced to try and calm them down. But things were never completely cured. Nothing like as good as a P38 on air which is in a different class.

air springs arent much different to coils,excepting the ability to change height its the arb that helps, or better still the ace on d2,

tomcat59alan · Oct 23, 2015

vilguy said:
No issues at all

P38 should only be used on 16 and 18 inch wheels, if you don't believe me the search Datatec's numerous posts on the subject or PM him if you don't believe me.

cannot find a two fingered smilie to show what I couldn't give.

tomcat59alan · Oct 23, 2015

Looks like Datatec has been scrubbed from the members list so searching his posts may be a problem, has big brother caught up with him?

blue beasty · Oct 23, 2015

tomcat59alan said:
Looks like Datatec has been scrubbed from the members list so searching his posts may be a problem, has big brother caught up with him?

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/members/datatek.28109/

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