Need advice on fitting Prinz LPG Kit

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Colin from Hull

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Hi, A while ago i bought an 4.0 litre engine with an LPG kit , at the time i had just fitted an engine to my Range Rover so never go round to fitting the LPG kit. The time has come where i want to do this now.
I thought i would fit the tank, then swap the inlet manifold for the one which is drilled for LPG.
If any body has any pictures of were the parts are best located within the engine bay, that would save me time, a wiring diagram of this kit would be great, recommendations to buy my pipe (copper/plastic) and other fittings.
I will put pictures on, so first my tank, which is located in the wheel well, it seems to only fit one way,but not sure how to clamp this to vehicle, four threaded holes on the top of tank. I will have to remove jack etc, as the pipes will exit to the filler fitting in this area, thinking of positioning my filler point near my towbar. Well what do you think lads. Colin
 

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IMHO, DIY fitting of an LPG kit without instructions or a full set of parts would be dangerous....

If the parts you have are incomplete i.e. No pipe work, fittings or wiring looms...I would enlist the help of a registered LPG installer...your insurance company may even insist on it before they will cover you.

Whilst there are DIY kits available, they are complete kits and have the correct and tested fittings to suit the system, a full set of installation instructions and also usually a help line or webiste for support questions.

I am only offering my opine, and others may have the answers you seek...I wish you well with it, but I couldn't let this thread pass me by without offering my warnings...if something where to happen and I hadn't said anything, I would be kicking myself that I didn't atleast warn you.....:eek:
 
Id have to agree with that, fair enough to do the base work yourself e.g. Fitting new manifold and tank, but for your safety would be worth having a lpg installer doing the plumbing/wiring but thats IMHO :)
 
Hi, I have tried to register on this forum, but doesnt accept my email address, it does mention this, but it was maybe a year ago,so i cant put any threads on this site. Colin
 
Hi, I realise your concerns, my intentions was to do the donkey work, Tank, pipe work, inlet manifold, position parts within engine bay, i have wiring loom and ECU from original LPG car. then take it to Yorkshire Autogas in Hull for certificate. Colin
 
Do you have a Thor or GEMS? It makes a difference to where some people put the ECU and the injectors.

I DIY installed mine on a 4.6 GEMS. Rough positions are...

Gas ECU inside the car! On top of the ABS ECU under the glove box. Keeps it clean and dry. Owners of Thor engines often use the old engine ECU box behind the battery.

Gas level switch/level display in the cubby hole next to the clock.

Gas vaporiser to the left of the EAS box. Some people put it on the other side next to the brake system, but I didn't think there was much room.

Injectors are best put in twos on each corner of the plenum on a GEMS. Then connecdt up with hose to make a fuel rail. Thor I've no idea I'm afraid I haven't seen one close up.

You'll need to drill and tap holes for the gas nozzles as close to the petrol injectors as possible, plus a couple more for pressure sensors and vacuum advance (depending on the system you install).

Tank in the spare wheel well. I bought a bracket and attached my filler to the underside of my bumper (I have no tow bar). This means I avoid putting a whole in my bodywork. If you do have a tow bar I'd consider attaching your filler to that.

Tank needs bolting down securely. You need to use washers that are 50mm dia and at least 3mm thick to meet regs.

If your tank doesn't have mounting brackets on the bottom, either get a tank that does, or you'll have to fabricate some box section welded to the chassis rails to hang your tank. You might be able to buy a bracket that will secure your tank to the floor of your wheel well instead. I'm not sure.

Make larger holes to feed the inlet and outlet pipes through the back of the wheel well, so they come out just below and behind the bumper. A loop must be put in the pipes here to protect in case of rear impact.

I suggest buying rubber gas pipe instead of the copper stuff. It's more expensive, but oh so much easier to route under the car and to the filler. I clipped (metal not cable ties) my pipe up every 300mm which is better than the regs ask for, but better safe than sorry. Also, you can't go within 150mm (I think) of an exhaust pipe without fitting a heat shield between the exhaust pipe and the fuel pipe. This can be tricky with a V8 with two exhausts! Mine follows the line of the air suspension pipes along the chassis rail using the chassis rail as the heat shield.

There are also loads of clips, clamps, grommets and electrical connections that need making. It's easy to do when you have a kit, but when you don't know what you have and haven't got it could be cheaper to get a professional involved.

You could buy a kit and just take the injectors, gas ECU, tank and valve off the shopping list and then you know you'll have most of the bits you do need.

Finally the whole thing need certificating by a professional and adding to the LPGA database. There are loads around that will do it for you, costs about £60-£100, but if you've got something wrong or non compliant they'll fail it, so you have to take it away, mend it, then submit to the test again.

It might be cheaper in the long run to buy a kit because it will come with instructions that tell you exactly how to fit it. There will be no mistakes, and so you'll on the road sooner and reliably.

Tinley Tech and Blaze Autogas have loads of parts and excellent advice. Blaze are Land Rover nuts and sell a kit specifically for the P38. They might be worth a call.

I submitted a 'how to' for this site when I did mine, but it's never been put up!

Also have a look here..

http://www.blazegas.com/kits2b.html

and here..

http://www.cowdery.org.uk/rrlpg.php
 
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Have a look on lpgforum.co.uk. they've got loads of good advice on there. The guy I bought my kit from posts on there and he's a top man.
 
Thanks Stopover, Ive given up trying to do links from my phone. The Lpg forum has a wealth of knowledge on there. Take heed of anything that Rosko says - he is a guru and also works at Blaze, so really knows the Range Rover inside out. This is where I got my kit.
 
Thanks Stopover, Ive given up trying to do links from my phone. The Lpg forum has a wealth of knowledge on there. Take heed of anything that Rosko says - he is a guru and also works at Blaze, so really knows the Range Rover inside out. This is where I got my kit.

No problem, its a good link. How do you get on with the gas, used to have it on my old LSE but don't have it on my p38 (yet?).
 
Hi, Thanks everyone for info. I have tried to register on the Lpgforum, but its not accepting my e-mail address, any suggestion regarding this, maybe a member could ask admin why this happening. Colin
 
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