More Disco.. what's going on?

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Yes mate. At least I know it will start and I can hear the engine purr sweetly as I dislocate my arms driving it to the scrapyard.

C:DL



That did make me laugh I must say. You've got to have a sense of humour owning Landies - it shouldn't be like that and it's a clear indication of why Land Rover lost most of it's Third World business contracts.

But hey, what we gonna do? Dump 'em and buy some little (reliable) eurobox?


It does sound tempting at times :behindsofa::behindsofa:

Dave
 

Well ...

It's died.

The good news ( if there is any ) is that it was freezing yesterday morning and it started 1st time. So I don't know if that extra glowplug has made a difference ( I know folk say you don't really need the plugs on Discos ) but it started fine.

Now the very bad news ...

Off to Hanley to try and buy some presents ( got none yet ). On the way we call in at ATS tyres to get an innertube fitted in the flat tyre ( spare now on ). Their fitter refused to fit the tube as he said it needed a new tyre. I insisted he put the tube in as I wasn't going to spend on a new tyre when the crankshaft is falling bits and it's due MOT 2nd Jan. The manager agrees with me and tells the guy to fit the tube. The tyre has a few small 'cracks' in the side which they said meant it needed new tyre.

Anyway ... least of my worries. We get to Hanley and the noise from under the bonnet is now dreadful. I decide we have to head back home. We get literally 100 yards from home ( Hanley is about 7 miles ) and the dashboard lights up and I've lost power steering. We get home and up drive.

I take off the belt and the crankshaft pulley now just turns freely ... so it's not turning the belt and driving the water pump, pas etc. So presumably there's not a lot left of any keyway.

It's now parked up the drive and it's blowing a blizzard up this 'mountain' with a few inches of snow .. and a tad cold.

So I suppose the 1st thing ... when the weather is better ... is to try and get the bolt off and get the pulley off and see what's left of the shaft. I'm presuming this isn't going to be just fitting a new pulley. I have to try and get the tools required.


I'm now wondering if the previous owner knew of this and has just bodged this and sold it. So goodness knows what they may have done ... just loctited pulley on? A small weld to hold it in place? I hope they haven't permanent loctited that bolt on and tightened it up to 5 million Nm.

Col

PS One more bit of 'good' news ? ...

... with that belt off so no pulleys turning ... ALL the 'other' noises seem to have gone. So that noise that I was hearing after that lad fitted the glowplug was probably a red herring and was actually coming from the pulley area. The engine with the belt off actually sounds quite sweet.

Col
Sounds fun:rolleyes: keep yer fingers crossed you aint purra nice ridge in yer crankshaft and totally mashed yer woodruff key slots:rolleyes::D:D
 
Sounds fun:rolleyes: keep yer fingers crossed you aint purra nice ridge in yer crankshaft and totally mashed yer woodruff key slots:rolleyes::D:D

Hmm ... either there's nothing left of the inside of the female centre of the pulley or the crankshaft is ripped to bits.

There's play ( lots of it ) in all directions. The outside of the pulley will rotate with respect to the inside. So the rubberised part is er ... not doing a lot.

There's also play between the internal bit and the shaft ( that's the bit that scares me ).

A very good mate has lent me his Passat for the weekend so I can get tools and parts. A local scrappers has a pulley in for 20 quid. He swears he took it off a 94 Disco 2.5 td. However the 'pulley' parts on it are V belt not multi v serp type?

I'm planning on doing the breaker bar under the chassis and turning engine method to release. I went to local Machine Mart to buy a 1/2 drive breaker.

The guy there said that there is no way a breaker bar will take it. He said that if I try to do what I'm suggesting then the joint on the breaker will fail as it's only designed for 'hand tight'.

So is it defo a breaker bar that I use?

What is it that stops the pulley from moving backwards and forwards along shaft? This pulley looks to have gauged into the timing belt casing?

Cheers

Col
 
The pulley is located between the bolt head, thick washer, pulley, cam belt pulley, o-ring, crankshaft flange I think thats all.

If the central boss Is loose, the bolt should be too? Unless it's seized up. If the boss is wobbling it does not bode well for the keyway.

I used a snap-on breaker bar I borrowed from a mate, worked ok for me, a cheapo one might not survive though.

Fingers crossed
 
It's "good" that the noise wasn't a bit of glow plug. I would expect it to wreck the piston, cylinder head and valves before the fragments reached the turbo and wrecked that....At least that's what happened when I found my lost jubilee clip after refitting a cylinder head and starting the engine :doh:
 
A very good mate has lent me his Passat for the weekend so I can get tools and parts. A local scrappers has a pulley in for 20 quid. He swears he took it off a 94 Disco 2.5 td. However the 'pulley' parts on it are V belt not multi v serp type?


Early 300TDIs used V belts, not the serpentine belt.
 
Hi col Im in Kidsgrove too, if you like me to have a look to give my two pence worth I can. Regards Steve

Hi Steve

That would be brilliant mate thanks. I'll send you a PM with details.

Thanks for the other replies guys. So I'll just get a decent breaker and get on with it.

That damper from that scrappers didn't look like mine. Apart from the v grooving ... mine just doesn't have that large rubber band at the back. Maybe it did have ... and should have ... and that's the problem.

Ok ... talk to me about this for a minute please ...

This is a M reg Disco with 180,000 on the clock.

I know I have to get the pulley off first job and see what state the shaft is in. I'm not holding my breath given this pulley wobbles more than a fat girl's tits.

So what to do if the shaft is knackered?

I suppose I can try and find someone local who can repair? ... but how do I get it there as it is. Towing away is more expense.

Or do I do the timing belt whilst in there and then just bodge it with mechanical liquid and permanent loctite? If I do that is that the last time that pulley is ever coming off? So when the timing belt needs doing again it's a new crank or engine or scrappers?

Or do I get a new crank put in?

Or do I just get another engine put in? Next door's bf who turned up again yesterday ( he has a Defender for offroading ) said straight away ... not worth messing about. Drop another engine in. That's all going to be beyond me so more expense for fitting etc.

This engine seems ok to me but I've never had one before. Maybe Steve can judge if he calls around. Remember it had a new cylinder head gasket fitted in August 2010 and I've just spent 220 quid on this engine.

50 quid glowplugs ( ok I can take them out and that price was theft anyway ) ... 50 quid to fit them ( er f**k them up ... that was defo theft with a spot of rape thrown in ) ... 120 quid to have the broken plug removed.

So it seems a shame to just throw that engine away.

Anyway ... this pulley off first.

Col
 
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My M REG 94 200tdi has Vee belts soinds like the breaker has taken it off a 94 200 like mine.I've never heard of or seen a 300with Vee belts. just changed the head gasket on a 94 300tdi and it's got a serpentine belt.
 
All I can do is go off the official parts catalogue. Look at the belts used on the 200TDI, compared to 300TDI. I don't own a 300TDI with V belts though (mine is a 96 and has the serpentine belt) so can't be 100%, just going off the official parts catologue that's all. Apologies if its wrong info.

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UPDATE 23/12/10

Well ... interesting news ...

Not great ... but not too bad ( I hope ).

I've spent most of the week sorting Christmas and the weather has been hilarious ... so the Disco has just sat on the front lawn. I've been using my mate's Passat.

So today I decide to start stripping stuff out of the way so I can get at the crank pulley.

Steve ( who lives in the next street ) kindly popped around to lend me his breaker bar ( sorry about the naked answering the door thing fella ... I was just getting in the bath ... honest ... and I thought you were the wife coming back from the shop :D ).

Anyway ... Off with the viscous fan and I'm all prepared for a nightmare trying to get the pulley bolt off. I've bought a 27mm hex socket and I try it on with the beraker bar attached. Car isn't in gear and handbrake is off. I turn the breaker a few degrees anticlockwise expecting the crankshaft to turn ... and ... yup ... the bolt is loose.:rolleyes: Just screwed it off with my fingers.

The pulley just slid off. The inside of the pulley has just worn away. There's virtually no key slot left. There's no key anywhere ... must have totally worn away.

The pulley has worn away at the alloy round hole in the alloy timing cover. Not sure what diameter that should be but it's been rubbed by the pulley where the pulley has waggled around.

So the pulley is dead and I need a replacement.

Now then ... the shaft.

It's diameter is a little 'polished' on the end inch but the diameter is ok.

The keyway ... This is clearly not the first time this has been a problem. Someone has 'machined', 'dremelled', a second key way immediately next to the original keyway. So there is now one double wide keyway. To be honest ( and I was looking at this with a lamp in the dark ) the sides of the double wide keyway look ok.

I presume they then used two keys. One as per normal that fits in the pulley keyway slot ... and one that was ground down to the level of the shaft. The whole lot presumably loctited in.

In theory I suppose this should work quite well.

There's no sign of any keys ... all gone.

So I don't know if this was a recent bodge done a couple of months ago just before it was sold to me and it's lasted just a couple of months ...

... Or was it done reasonably well 70k ago and it's done a decent job until now?

Maybe the bolt wasn't done up tight enough and this has allowed everything to work loose. I believe this is typically why this area causes a problem.

So I presume it's a case of redoing the above presumption? Two new keys and one is ground down ... or is there a double width key and I grind just half of that down? Loctite keys in. Loctite pulley on. Loctite bolt in.

As has been said. It makes sense to do the timing belt whilst in there.

Here's some more worrying news ...

Remember that this nightmare all started when the car overheated a few weeks ago. I'd topped up coolant and bled coolant system and all seemed well. Heater was blowing warm and water level was holding it's own. So I'd hoped head gasket was ok.

Whilst I was under bonnet today I checked water level. It looks slightly lower ... but the car is on the lawn at a slight angle.

So I now need a new pulley ... cheapest I've seen new is about 44 quid plus postage. How much is a belt kit? 60 quidish?

So do I throw 110 more quid at this engine and then find out the head gasket is gone? I suppose I could do the timing and pulley now and get running and then look to do the head gasket myself when the weather is better in a couple of months?

I'll try get a photo of the double keyway but it is basically just that ... a double keyway with a second ( same width ) keyway cut side by side with the original.

What do you think guys ? ( I'm so sorry for the long posts but I want to be thorough to give you all the info ).

Many thanks

Col
 
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Wow, thats a pickle.

I would place my money on it being a well made bodge/repair but they failed to get the bolt tight and never checked it after a few days of running.

Making another key will be pretty simple, a lump of keysteel and time spent with some files should do it, a new pulley is obviously needed. Is the cover fecked as well? There is an oil seal in there or at least there should be.

As long as the timing gear key is sound (check before spending cash because if this is shagged too then I would consider another crankshaft etc) then it's likely all repairable, as to the best path to take I'm not sure.

BTW it's the torsional damper thingy that makes it all work loose and shag the keyways, it's a continuous action of energy being stored and released by the outer pulley and the rubber insert.
 
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