m51d25 loses power

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mazappi

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hello! new here. :)

There's so little knowledge of these engines where i live, and europe in general it seems, that most of forums suggested asking here. even tho the engine sits in a bimmer. this engine goes into the p38 iirc?

this engine sits in a 1996 325 tds touring, manual.


it's a lovely and robust engine when chipped and in a smaller car, but it just keeps loosing power after a short while of driving.
I've owned i for little over a year, and i've narrowed down the symptoms:

-happes only in speeds between 50-115kph.
-happes only when throttle pedal is either smoothly operated or kept in one angle (no constant adjustment)
-does not happen gradualy, or after a certain distance. happens all of a sudden but usually after 300-700m of driving. but does eventually always happen.
-sometimes theres more/less power overall.
-the fuel consumption gauge won't go over 9.5l/100, the car does accelerate with but very slowly.
-power comes back when you drop the revs below 1000rpm, even for less than a second. .



parts changed (because needed to, or from trying to fix the problem):
fuel pump (tank and injection pumps, both) brand new.
rebuilt turbo, with a new core and wastegate.
oil cooler and pipes
all filters
MAF sensor
wiring loom (well not new but mint used)
intake pressure sensor
fuel pressure regulator solenoid (loses power sooner now!!!)
throttle pedal sensor/potentiometre


i've also tried with another ecu and immo parts, but that made no difference.

fuel lines are ok and hold pressure (tested). fuel tank is fine with clean diesel inside.

no fuel leaks, no warning lights, no smoke.

one fault code: "20, vehicle speed control, control panel"



help me landyzone kenobi, you're my only hope!
 
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Wait around for a while, the diesel guru "Wammers" will be on soon .he understands these engines and will piont you in the right direction.
 
Wait around for a while, the diesel guru "Wammers" will be on soon .he understands these engines and will piont you in the right direction.
what already tells me, that i might have arrived at the right place, is when i get my first reply in less than 5 mins! :D
 
whoops :D better edit that right.
:D:D

Just me being picky....

Wammers is 'The Boss' when it comes to the M51 diesel engine....he is a retired gentleman who has a wealth of knowledge and experience with all things mechanical....he has even built his own light aircraft from plans from scratch.....

Right, that's enough giving him a big head.....he'll be along soon no doubt.....and yes, Landyzone is probably the best Land Rover forum on the 'net....we take the ****, have a laugh, but the knowledge is second to none and you will not find a more helpful bunch of internet junkies anywhere else!

Glad you found us!
 
:D:D

Just me being picky....

Wammers is 'The Boss' when it comes to the M51 diesel engine....he is a retired gentleman who has a wealth of knowledge and experience with all things mechanical....he has even built his own light aircraft from plans from scratch.....

Right, that's enough giving him a big head.....he'll be along soon no doubt.....and yes, Landyzone is probably the best Land Rover forum on the 'net....we take the ****, have a laugh, but the knowledge is second to none and you will not find a more helpful bunch of internet junkies anywhere else!

Glad you found us!
Wammers and i have actually exchanged a few words now. :)
 
These engines are pretty basic, like any other diesel of this era if it has air and fuel it will run. Loss of power is either a lack of air or a lack of fuel. If it is short of air you would get power loss and smoke. If it is short of fuel you would get a power drop. Simple as that. This engine has EDC which is basically a mechanical pump of the old type where the fuel quantity and timing modulation are electronically controlled. The ECU does this according to signals received from various sensors. There are differences between the Land rover M51 and BMW and Omega M51 systems in how they are set up. That is why a BMW or Omega injection pump will not work with the Land rover ECU. He would be better going to a BMW or Vauxhall forum.
 
Have you got any diagnostics for it? I seem to remember the BMW has a circular diagnostic plug and there's some free BMW software on the internet that the BMW engineers themselves used to use sometimes?
 
These engines are pretty basic, like any other diesel of this era if it has air and fuel it will run. Loss of power is either a lack of air or a lack of fuel. If it is short of air you would get power loss and smoke. If it is short of fuel you would get a power drop. Simple as that. This engine has EDC which is basically a mechanical pump of the old type where the fuel quantity and timing modulation are electronically controlled. The ECU does this according to signals received from various sensors. There are differences between the Land rover M51 and BMW and Omega M51 systems in how they are set up. That is why a BMW or Omega injection pump will not work with the Land rover ECU. He would be better going to a BMW or Vauxhall forum.

So first question is how much smoke is pumping out the back?!
 
If everything is new, then i would check exhaust for clogging.
But low fuel consumption on guage means there is no fuel enrichment at all, maybe there is vacum connected to MAP sensor instead of intake manifold line.
It's simple engine with simple electronics, just need proper diagnostics.

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Also if it looses power suddenly, then it may be coolant temperature sensor problem - ECU will cut fuelling when it thinks its overheated.
 
Mind you, I also considered desoldering the chips from the EMS and reading them direct. Was prevented by the fear that if it wasn't a 2 ton red brick on the drive before it may well have been afterwards!
 
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