Landy fuel price protest?

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Would you be up for it?

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RichM said:
Is this a crazy idea? Or something we could pull off?

Rich
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My neighbour helped organise the truckers M6 fuel protest a year or two ago. He discussed it all with police and had no trouble getting them onboard. They did lay down a few rules for him to comply with, but basically a splendid time was had by all, including the police officers themselves.

However some bikers did one on the M62 around the same time, never consulted the police etc and they all got prosecuted, charged with obstructing traffic, or something.
 
The amount of tax levied on fuel in equivalent to around 4 times the cost of production - simply put, it's a 400% tax. True, oil companies make "billions per quarter" but the cost of reinvestment in oil production/discovery/exploitation is ridiculously high and profit margins are comparatively low, the real killer is the taxation.

If income tax were at the same level as fuel taxation you would owe the government 4 times your gross salary each year in taxes. It's this situation which needs redress, not the profits of the oil companies.

¹ Why is there no duty on petrochemical fuels for rail?

² Why is the duty on petrochemical fuels for air travel so pitifully small compared with road?

³ Why is there such a small duty for LPG compared with other road fuels when, mile per mile, the alleged pollutants are pretty much on a par?

Every litre of diesel / petrol / heavy fuel oil / kerosene / heating oil / LPG burned liberates exactly the same amount of carbon as every other litre of the same stuff (refining tolerances notwithstanding) so why is the duty payable, given that they're selling the justification on an environmental basis, different based on which use it's put to? It makes no sense, other than we, the motorist, are the easiest target.

Funnily enough, the way to make both the oil companies and the governments sit up and pay attention is the same:

A coordinated consumer switch to a single supplier. If we all buy our fuels (road and heating) from one retail supplier - example BP (as they're going to need the money soon anyway) - the others are going to be brought to the brink of insolvency within weeks at most and the attendant tax losses and job losses are what will get the attention of the governments.

The biggest problem there is the coordination - if anyone has any ideas, I'm in :D
 
Protest by driving at any speed anywhere, claiming that you cannot afford fuel at it's current prices is a bit... well... backward.... I can't afford fuel, so I'm going to burn it in protest!

Boycott one supplier for another will still give your hard earned tax pounds to the govt.

A total boycott of all fuel stations is the best way... use your feet, a (peddle)bike even public transport to get around for a week and that will hurt both the petrol co's and the govt.

Don't say you can't until you've tried!
 
Andy200TDi said:
A total boycott of all fuel stations is the best way... use your feet, a (peddle)bike even public transport to get around for a week and that will hurt both the petrol co's and the govt.

Don't say you can't until you've tried!
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Ok - I've got a 10' x 5' trailer with about a metric ton of concrete hardcore to move tomorrow. See you at 8 with your pushbike Andy, don't be late there's a good chap ;) "Don't say you can't until you've tried!"

Some of us use our Land Rovers for more than dicking about in at the weekends :rolleyes:

A week? A WEEK? Cobblers... because at the end of the week you'll buy 2 weeks worth of fuel... or the week before you will so you can last the 2 weeks. Net result - **** all difference.

The switch to a single supplier isn't a day or a week or until we get a measly 2p tax reduction with a 6 month moratorium on further tax hikes. It's permanent or until both government and producer remember that its the consumer which dictates both price and policy.
 
Adz said:
Ok - I've got a 10' x 5' trailer with about a metric ton of concrete hardcore to move tomorrow. See you at 8 with your pushbike Andy, don't be late there's a good chap ;) "Don't say you can't until you've tried!"

Some of us use our Land Rovers for more than dicking about in at the weekends :rolleyes:

A week? A WEEK? Cobblers... because at the end of the week you'll buy 2 weeks worth of fuel... or the week before you will so you can last the 2 weeks. Net result - **** all difference.

The switch to a single supplier isn't a day or a week or until we get a measly 2p tax reduction with a 6 month moratorium on further tax hikes. It's permanent or until both government and producer remember that its the consumer which dictates both price and policy.
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Have you seen my sig?.. i've been doing my own boycott for over 2 years... see you in the morning? :D
 
Andy200TDi said:
Have you seen my sig?.. i've been doing my own boycott for over 2 years... see you in the morning? :D
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Yeah... when you turn up to tow my trailer with your push bike, or on foot. Bear in mind that you shouldn't say you can't until you've tried. It's only a short distance it needs towing... about 3 and 3/4 miles.

If your idea of 'boycott' is 'doing something I enjoy and would have done anyway' - great! Sadly the political sway it will hold and the difference it will make is more than a little limited, because everyone else sees it for what it is.
 
Hey Adz, I'm just as affected as everyone else, my milk and bread doesn't get to the shop on it's own (or on a pushbike)... :)

It's because not everyone is able to boycott that these great plans (and they are great) don't work... the last efforts on the fuel price front by the lorry drivers got a lot of people into trouble and most people just want a quiet life (myself included).

A truely effective protest would take a lot of coordination to allow people to work from home or locally to be fully effective... and I'm guessing that many self employed people rely on their transport for their work so anything like that is not good for them financially anyway.

Sometimes we need to sacrifice a little (or a lot) to get to a solution... it's a question of being willing to sacrifice and how much. Some can and do, some can but won't and some can't. that's life!
 
Andy200TDi said:
...the last efforts on the fuel price front by the lorry drivers got a lot of people into trouble and most people just want a quiet life (myself included).
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I'll not disagree with you there - A labour government which wouldn't be bullied by popular ideas and ideals, tsk, next they'll stop listening to the unions... oh... wait a minute :rolleyes:

Andy200TDi said:
A truely effective protest would take a lot of coordination to allow people to work from home or locally to be fully effective... and I'm guessing that many self employed people rely on their transport for their work so anything like that is not good for them financially anyway.
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Actually it just would take a little understanding as to how the process works - Esso, Total, Texaco, Shell, Murco, Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrison's, Asda all have huge lobbying power and a huge popular public draw - example, watch what happens when Tesco offer 5p off a litre if you spend £50 in store. By switching to a single supplier en masse we harness the public draw, in that prices fall to their lowest profitable limit quickly, and the lobbying power because those organisations will whine like a dodgy bearing to government because indirect taxation is hurting their business.

Andy200TDi said:
Sometimes we need to sacrifice a little (or a lot) to get to a solution... it's a question of being willing to sacrifice and how much. Some can and do, some can but won't and some can't. that's life!
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Best of all, no-one need stay at home, sacrifice anything or get into trouble for it, you just refuse to buy from all but one. I'm self employed and absolutely dependent on my car for it - would it affect me much to use a single fuel supplier? Not really, maybe a tenner a week in additional fuel if the 'chosen one' happens to be the furthest away from me. Bearing in mind that would be less than 10% if it cost that much and that the potential saving from having the fuel duty reduced to a 'more realistic' (just kidding) 350% instead of 400% would more than compensate for it.

Yes the government would need to find the lost revenue from another source. As such a source I suggest rail and the airlines fuel. Tax it in the same way and see how quickly the lobbying power gets brought to bear. Anything freight in the UK is pretty much delivered by road yet commuters get cut price fuel for their trains so they can commute cheaply and holiday makers and stag/hen night revellers get flights to Prague for a tenner. It's **** - you and I both know it.
 
Andy200TDi said:
Hey Adz, I'm just as affected as everyone else, my milk and bread doesn't get to the shop on it's own (or on a pushbike)... :)

It's because not everyone is able to boycott that these great plans (and they are great) don't work... the last efforts on the fuel price front by the lorry drivers got a lot of people into trouble and most people just want a quiet life (myself included).

A truely effective protest would take a lot of coordination to allow people to work from home or locally to be fully effective... and I'm guessing that many self employed people rely on their transport for their work so anything like that is not good for them financially anyway.

Sometimes we need to sacrifice a little (or a lot) to get to a solution... it's a question of being willing to sacrifice and how much. Some can and do, some can but won't and some can't. that's life!
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people should stick together but they dont,people who are employed could take a weeks hols and not use transport,even self employed could save up and take a full week off,but they wont Cos as stated before no one sticks together,
 
take to the streets burn it down, riot -otherwise this is back room idle chat
 
landie owners up by us at binbrook are interested as well as being able to bring about 40 tractors owner drivers can also bring about 200 truckers as well
 
disco924 said:
landie owners up by us at binbrook are interested as well as being able to bring about 40 tractors owner drivers can also bring about 200 truckers as well
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As good as your intention's are (yes BoB I'm thinking of you too!), the only way we will bring about a change is if a VAST MAJORITY of road user's partake. Don't forget that "Joe Blogg's" car driver hate's us 4X4 driver's with a passion (unless we pull em out of the snow/ice). It is a lost cause......
 
as everyone says the masses all need to be united which is difficult to organise id be up for anything to help get the price down because its killing rural life, not great public transport here and you have to use a vehicle just to do stuff no busses to go in to the hills here, i fookin hate the government they just bum the working man and its us that runs and builds and repairs the country
 
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