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Carlostlewis

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Hey guys,

Went out today in landrover and about half hour into trip lost power to engine (putting foot down didn't do anything) so it pulled over and checked all the levels were ok.

It sounded like was abit of engine knocking and idle was very lump and rough sounding.

Recently had my cam belt changed.

There was just below quarter of a tank but mate brought me some fuel to put in just incase, we started it and made same noises.

Called garage who changed cam belt who came out but they wernt to sure to what it was (didn't tell them about fuel as didn't think it was relevant) the garage started it and it didn't make the noises but loads of white smoke came out...

They have towed it back to garage but I'm wondering if maybe the fuel switch was fault and maybe I had less than what was showing.

Just wondering if anyone has any ideas?

Cheers!
 
I looked up smoke colours when mine was broken.

White is water getting into the engine, usually the head gasket but can be other things too
 
You don't say what engine but white smoke can be water or unburnt diesel (unburnt fuel gives 'heavier' thicker smoke that hangs around)

It does sound like an injector fault which would give a misfire and smoke but whether it that or head gasket the mechanics should know.

Low fuel level or pressure might give a lack of power and lumpy running but not smoke.
 
Carlostlewis said:
Hey guys,

Went out today in landrover and about half hour into trip lost power to engine (putting foot down didn't do anything) so it pulled over and checked all the levels were ok.

It sounded like was abit of engine knocking and idle was very lump and rough sounding.

Recently had my cam belt changed.

There was just below quarter of a tank but mate brought me some fuel to put in just incase, we started it and made same noises.

Called garage who changed cam belt who came out but they wernt to sure to what it was (didn't tell them about fuel as didn't think it was relevant) the garage started it and it didn't make the noises but loads of white smoke came out...

They have towed it back to garage but I'm wondering if maybe the fuel switch was fault and maybe I had less than what was showing.

Just wondering if anyone has any ideas?

Cheers!
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What sort of engine?

If you think you have run out/low on fuel, it would certainly be worth checking the fuel filter element for crud from the bottom of the tank.
Head gasket doesn't usually cause major running problems.
 
Hello,

Cheers for the reply guys!

Sorry forgot to mention it's a 2.5 discovery TDi 1996 Auto

It's weird how when we put fuel in it didn't make the horrible noise just smoke.

The mechanic seems to think it's either the injectors or the turbo...

Just an update: we went back to it tonight to try start it again to see what happens and it kept trying to start and bit of white smoke coming out then eventually I got it to go but it wouldn't idle kept staling.

Could it be linked to fuel, I just find it weird how the noises stop when we put more in.

Also could the cam belt be out of timing and be causing this?

Thanks a lot for your help guys!
 
Carlostlewis said:
Hello,

Cheers for the reply guys!

Sorry forgot to mention it's a 2.5 discovery TDi 1996 Auto

It's weird how when we put fuel in it didn't make the horrible noise just smoke.

The mechanic seems to think it's either the injectors or the turbo...

Just an update: we went back to it tonight to try start it again to see what happens and it kept trying to start and bit of white smoke coming out then eventually I got it to go but it wouldn't idle kept staling.

Could it be linked to fuel, I just find it weird how the noises stop when we put more in.

Also could the cam belt be out of timing and be causing this?

Thanks a lot for your help guys!
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Don't see how turbo is likely to cause poor starting. Smoke from Turbo would be blueish oil smoke.

Sounds pretty drastic for an injector problem too.

You said it had run ok since the cambelt was changed.

Almost all issues with a diesel are caused by fuel or air issues, check it all first, fuel and air filters, intake hoses etc.
 
Timing could be out on the pump if thats the case ittl be difficult to start if it even starts (like yours) and will produce white smoke as the diesel isnt being burnt... check the timing first as thats a nice quick fix which shouldnt cost you
 
lANDYbrownlee said:
Timing could be out on the pump if thats the case ittl be difficult to start if it even starts (like yours) and will produce white smoke as the diesel isnt being burnt... check the timing first as thats a nice quick fix which shouldnt cost you
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Could be timing but it was running ok after the belt change, unless the timing has slipped
 
blue beasty said:
Could be timing but it was running ok after the belt change, unless the timing has slipped
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Yea, if it was fitted properly i cant see it slipping but its the exact same symptoms i had when i murdered my FIP and when i couldnt get the recon pump timed... couldnt hurt to have a look at the timing first
 
lANDYbrownlee said:
Yea, if it was fitted properly i cant see it slipping but its the exact same symptoms i had when i murdered my FIP and when i couldnt get the recon pump timed... couldnt hurt to have a look at the timing first
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He said it ran fine since the belt change, so unless the tensioner has come loose it is unlikely there will be an issue. It would be much easier to check fuel and air filters and intake hoses first.

Not saying it couldn't be timing belt issue, but they are far less common than fuel system or air intake problems.

OP would help his own cause by coming back and telling us whether he has tried any of what has been suggested already. :)
 
Turboman said:
He said it ran fine since the belt change, so unless the tensioner has come loose it is unlikely there will be an issue. It would be much easier to check fuel and air filters and intake hoses first.

Not saying it couldn't be timing belt issue, but they are far less common than fuel system or air intake problems.

OP would help his own cause by coming back and telling us whether he has tried any of what has been suggested already. :)
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Suppose its not too dear to have injectors tested thats the only other thing id bet on... i dont think its anything to do with the turbo as the garage suggested
 
lANDYbrownlee said:
Suppose its not too dear to have injectors tested thats the only other thing id bet on... i dont think its anything to do with the turbo as the garage suggested
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His problem sounds very severe for an injector problem, unless several have gone tits up at the same time :confused: Usually when I have seen one fail, the engine has started and run, often even on the cylinder that injector is faulty when the engine was warm.

As I have said before, though, I don't have much to do with Tdi, mostly older stuff, so maybe is more potential for injector problems effecting running.
 
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Turboman said:
His problem sounds very severe for an injector problem, unless several have gone tits up at the same time :confused: Usually when I have seen one fail, the engine has started and run, often even on the cylinder that injector is faulty when the engine was warm.
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Seen a few sprinters in work with dodgy injectors they take ages to start and when they finally do they fill the entire workshop in seconds with thick white smoke my moneys on either that or timing but it may be something else only checking everything out will tell
 
jamesmartin said:
its not unusual for a failure to occur soon after on 300tdi either poor workmanship or parts/alignment issues
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Interesting! You mean like a poor quality tensioner breaking up, or garage not following the tensioning procedure properly?

Never done one on a Tdi, but done a few on 2.5 na/td over the years, never had an issue at all. :)
 
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