Lack of staying power - how do you perform?

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Thanks for all the replies - I may not be an expert when it comes to adjusting / setting / servicing my 110, but I am not an idiot either, however all advice is valuable - its like talking round a problem and allows different trains of thought to be explored :)

The tappets were set to the correct clearances, with new caps (one had punched through) - done by a damn good independent. The diaphragm is set to max fuel delivery (still no appreciable smoke) with the eccentric farthest away from the fuel pin, service done regularly (2 fuel filters in a year and a clean air filter).

All adjustments were done one at a time with drives in between - I now have better pick up from idle, and better midrange acceleration (relative, I know).

While I can change a timing belt, (and have done several), I won't be adjusting the pump - I will get my local independent to do the belt and pump timing shortly.

If you'll excuse me, I am going to lie down now, as I am just out of hospital - if you want, google 'transperineal biopsy'.

A couple of comments. Regarding the punched through caps, what caps did he replace them with? Only making this comment as the genuine LR ones are now too soft and they are very poor quality. The only good ones now are made my MWM engineering.

Is your turbo pipework OK? Can you hear it spooling up under load?

Regarding the "tappets" this makes sense now, when you said you had done the tappets I thought you had replaced them or something. The tappet is the cam roller, sleeve and slider which sits and does it's thing under the push-rod. What you are adjusting is the valve clearances. Interestingly adjusting tappets would apply to hydraulic tappets and adjusting the pre-load.

A lie down? Have a couple of stiff drinks too mate! We will all chip in for them!
 
While I can change a timing belt, (and have done several), I won't be adjusting the pump - I will get my local independent to do the belt and pump timing shortly.

If you can change a belt, you can change pump timing. Do you own a set of 0.5mm increment increasing sized drill bits starting at about 4mm or even better bore gauges?
 
If you can change a belt, you can change pump timing. Do you own a set of 0.5mm increment increasing sized drill bits starting at about 4mm or even better bore gauges?
Thats a yes to the drill bits, and a no to the bore gauges :)
Is it as per the link higher up in the thread? Brain is a bit fuzzy....
 
Thats a yes to the drill bits, and a no to the bore gauges :)
Is it as per the link higher up in the thread? Brain is a bit fuzzy....

I'm not sure, had a glance and didn't see any particular instruction for timing but I didn't look for long.

Take the rubber cover off the timing chest to expose the timing pump sprocket.

You will note 3 bolts and a lozenge shape opening which opens into a round hole. Use this as your timing mark so to speak. The first thing you need to do is look at the hole in the inner part of the sprocket in relation to the driven part of the sprocket. When you insert the drill you need to be aware of which side the drill is tight against or you could get this wrong (not badly though so don't panic). If when you look into the sprocket hole it looks like the outer and inner are basically perfectly in line (factory) then you would want to insert a drill bit that will slide in perfectly straight with more or less no movement in it at all. However if the pump has already been tinkered with it is entirely possible that the hole in the inner section will be partially overlapped by the outer piece. So your drill bit will be hard up against the lip on one side and the edge opposite in the hole on the inner. So this dictates how you chose a drill bit to adjust your timing. If you are dealing with a seriously retarded engine for example, you will be wanting to put a bigger drill bit in than originally you were able to put in as the "Original setting". From what I have told you above you should now be able to work out what you are doing in order to fairly simply but with some form of measurement, tune your engine.

So take the first drill bit and keep it as "Original setting". Now work out what you think you need to do to your engine, it was a week ago I last read through your post but I think you lacked higher speed power, I don't think there is a mention of smoke but lets say you feel the fuel timing may need advanced (does your engine clatter much when you give it the beans?) - then undo the three bolts a little, just enough to stop them clamping the parts of the sprocket together. Now looking at the pump from the front of the engine, in order to advance timing, you want the pump rotation in relation to the rest of the engine to be earlier, so in relation to the driven part of the sprocket you want the inner part of the sprocket to be moved CW slightly, so that means in relation to the rest of the engine the pump is now a little further forward or advanced. Now, what you need to do is slot something into the hole that will let you advance the pump a measured amount, so if you look into the slot and think that the plan here is to rotate the hole in the back section CW a little.

Depending on how your engine is currently timed it may be that "original setting" drill is hard up against the metal on the LHS of the driven part of the sprocket, so that means that when you rotate the inner part of the sprocket the gap will get bigger, so slot in a drill 0.5mm bigger than the "original" and take a socket and ratchet to the nut in the middle and move the pump (you may need to tap the ratchet a little to get it to break free, it could have been bolted up like this for 20 odd years) CW a little until your drill bit will fit in dead straight but tight up against the driven part of the sprocket and the opposite hole on the inner. Now tighten up the 3 bolts and remove the drill.

Take it for a spin. Take it for test drives on a hot engine, this way when listening and feeling for the effects of the diesel timing you are doing so on a hot engine to give you a majority running condition tune. For example a cold diesel will clatter, you could actually through timing remove this clatter noise by retarding the injection timing a fair bit, but when the engine heats up the timing would be so retarded it would sound very quiet, black smoke hard to start and could mis under certain load conditions.

Hope this makes sense. I have done this several times and had excellent results, I think I have broken it down into enough pieces of information that it is clear enough what is being done. Don't be too worried about getting this really badly wrong, you can always revert to a factory tune. Another note, if you suspect your adjusting using the pump nut has loosened it, nip it up with some locktite. I have never had one come undone when rocking it back and forward on the ratchet as it is (should be) done with thread locking compound.

<Edited 13/04/16 for some typos and to make a sentence a little clearer>
 
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Awesome write up - thanks for taking the time to do this - when I can drive again, I will do the timing belt, and then follow your instructions.

Again, thank you :)
 
Update - timing belt being done next week, then a possible tweak of the timing as per the post above :)

Underneath it today looking at the grunge in the timing case, I noticed I have a transfer box with prefix 28D - meaning RRC 1.22 ratio - this should make it better uphills, yes?
 
Other way around Im afraid, 1.2 will give you better speed, but not better uphill pulling power.
 
So, theoretically, 2 identical vehicles, V1 one with a 1.2 transfer box, V2 with a 1.4 - which one is faster o-60 (for example) and which is better holding a fixed speed on a hill?

V1 quicker and V2 with the staying power?
 
So, theoretically, 2 identical vehicles, V1 one with a 1.2 transfer box, V2 with a 1.4 - which one is faster o-60 (for example) and which is better holding a fixed speed on a hill?
Yes, more mph per engine rev with the higher geared vehicle, but not so good at climbing hills. Typically, less noise and happier at 70mph (not faster to get there) with the higher geared transfer box.

V1 quicker and V2 with the staying power?
 
Then maybe my problem has been resolved - shifting to 4th on a long drag IS normal, because I have a 1:2 transfer box. Not the answer I wanted, but I have learnt a lot from asking the question! Thanks all :)
 
I had a 1.19 tfer box in mine and it was verrry long geared, back to a 1/4 much better in every dept, blue bell hill was flat out in 4th, top would just bog and slowly die.
The biggest problem I see with the 1.2 box is you basically have a 4 speed car with an overdrive!
Add some chunky/tall tyres, a few miles on the engine and the 1.2 tfer box and its asking a lot of such a low powered machine.
 
1.4 are as cheap as chips, 50 quid touch as everyone wants the 1.2, might be worth keeping an eye on ebay for one near you.
I swapped mine for a cheapo diff guard:D also bear in mind you will be able to sell your 1.2 for more than you pay for the 1.4.
The LT230 tfer box is one of the toughest bits on any land rover, reputedly good for 1000bhp but thats only what I have read, still would like to drive one!

Cheap/free way to test the theory would be to borrow someones smaller wheels and tyres so lowering the gearing.
 
In a 96 300tdi 110, with a following wind, in 5th, boost at about 17psi on the gauge, up a hill (not steep...) I struggle to keep 60 mph - in fact up the A23 today on the way back from Brighton, I ended up shifting down to 4th to even manage 50!

I goto Brighton at least twice a week on the 90 200TDI, if I'm going up that hill at 60 in 50th I don't need to change down, if I hit it at 50 some times I do depending on what's in the car. Mine has a 1.2 Disco Transfer box in it.

But it will happily go up there at 70.

Handcross Hill the other way is a different matter, I'm normally in 4th going up that one by the end if get slowed down.

Flat, can you have a look at my pump for me as I think I know what your on about but would like to see how its done, payment in beer will be offered.
 
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TE="steveo, post: 3720396, member: 12410"]In a 96 300tdi 110, with a following wind, in 5th, boost at about 17psi on the gauge, up a hill (not steep...) I struggle to keep 60 mph - in fact up the A23 today on the way back from Brighton, I ended up shifting down to 4th to even manage 50!

How does yours compare?

I have done the following:
tappets
intercooler clean
1 full turn of top screw on pump
90 cw degrees on the diaphragm
90 cw degrees on the star wheel


All pipes and hoses are secure and air tight where they need to be.

I expect more :( - I had an old 200tdi that could do better....
Shall I put it in the hands of a professional when I get the timing belt done?[/QUOTE]
Doesn't sound too far off Mate. I've got a 97 110 300tdi. I put a boost pin in and now I can generally stay in 5th all the time on a run and o ly have to change down if the hill is very steep.
 
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