L322 brakes - vented vs drilled

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Voguely said:
Wow, this thread is getting interesting now! Pretty much turned into 'to do up and rangie or not' morality question!

Wammers, whilst I agree with much of what you say, that last post is a bit far - if you believe that then surely nobody should drive any sort of high end car just in case it makes some poor person feel bad about their lot in life?! All sounds a bit communist to me!

I'm not saying I like all of Overfinch's stuff, some of it is horrifically bad taste, but why not make your car look a bit nicer, inside or out? If it makes you smile each time you walk upto it (which is why most people do it I would think), then surely its worth it? I stuck a SS exhaust on mine, now it sounds lovely and warble-y like a V8 petrol should, and every time I give it the beans it makes me (and passengers) smile. (plus apparently it gives an extra 17bhp, not that that is necessary or needed).

Also (and this is contentious), I think people actually like seeing nice cars out and about. When I see a tricked rangie, or better still something like a Lambo, I love it, I don't think '****, I wish I was richer and could afford something like that, I hate that guy', but rather I appriciate seeing nice cars. Think it was a TG episode when one of them said driving a super car is like a public service - it makes everyone you go past smile and go 'ooooohh', haha!

Anyway I'm now soooo far off topic....
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I was thinking more along the lines that it makes them more inclined to want to rob you actually. Cars mean nothing as the mouse in the jungle found out. One day a mouse was walking through the jungle and found an elephant down a large hole. "Hang on" the mouse said, "I'll get you out in a jiffy, I'll go get my Porsche" So a few minutes later the mouse pulled the elephant out of the hole with a rope tied to the bumper of his 911. A few months past and the elephant was walking past the same hole and low and behold the mouse was down there trapped. Remembering how the mouse had helped him out, he flicked his willy down the hole and the mouse climbed out. Moral:- If you have a big dick you don't need a Porsche.
 
Derek Ward said:
Is that not more down to the new (different?) pads you'd have fitted when you fit the discs?:)
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no, the discs where well within service limits and the pads where genuine landrover items that had only been fiited by myself two months previous. if i drive the car enthusiatically i used to get brake fade fairly quickly, after fitting the ungraded parts the problem is no more. i can have much more fun now,;). im not saying the originals where crap, when driven normally the brakes where up to the job, but if you want to get a shift on they where, well how can i say it, oh yer thats it, crap.
 
magictiny said:
Ahh well - if you can afford to drive a Range Rover 'enthusiatically' then you can afford expensive disks and pads :hysterically_laughi
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Could "driving enthusiastically" be interpreted as "like an idiot"? I wondered why my insurance keeps going up each year, if there are lots of enthusiastic drivers about that explains it.:D:D:D
 
Driving a Range Rover enthusiastically could be interpreted as being 'over the moon' that it drives at all - considiring the time it spends on tarmac against the time is spends on a garage lift....

Mine has spent so long on the lift it should be getting air miles!
 
arron beast unleashed said:
no, the discs where well within service limits and the pads where genuine landrover items that had only been fiited by myself two months previous. if i drive the car enthusiatically i used to get brake fade fairly quickly, after fitting the ungraded parts the problem is no more. i can have much more fun now,;). im not saying the originals where crap, when driven normally the brakes where up to the job, but if you want to get a shift on they where, well how can i say it, oh yer thats it, crap.
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"Now come on officer your camera must need calibrating i was only doing 50 in the 30 zone my 22" wheels can't make that much difference to the speedo reading. Anyway even if i was doing 55MPH as you say i have Arnott air bags and Koni adjustable shocks plus an uprated steering damper on to take speed bumps going that fast. Anyway if that little girl and her brother would have walk across the road twenty yards further on i could have stopped easily with my drilled and vented discs and up rated calipers. I only ran over them because they were to close. You see all the additions i have put on my motor make it possible for me to drive like a complete and utter prat and get away with it. Well most of the time. Why the hand cuffs"?
 
magictiny said:
Harsh wammers.

Did we not have our regulation two cups of coffee this morning? :kettlepot:
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Sorry mate but i mean what i say i am sick to death of people who add things to their vehicle which they think make it safe for THEM to drive in a different manner than the rest of us. This guy may well only drive enthusiastically where it's safe to do it, fair do's. But a lot don't. I have driven for over 48 years and driven just about everything it is possible to drive on our roads. I have never seen as many bad drivers around as there are now. I am sorry if i offend anyone but was just trying to get a point across.:):):)
 
wammers said:
Sorry mate but i mean what i say i am sick to death of people who add things to their vehicle which they think make it safe for THEM to drive in a different manner than the rest of us. This guy may well only drive enthusiastically where it's safe to do it, fair do's. But a lot don't. I have driven for over 48 years and driven just about everything it is possible to drive on our roads. I have never seen as many bad drivers around as there are now. I am sorry if i offend anyone but was just trying to get a point across.:):):)
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Well said !!!
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Also have a Vectra V6, petrol...just as it came out of the factory which also has "Plain" undrilled discs which I can assure you will stop the 150mph+ machine safely and without fade. It has the original 16" alloys with normal..not ultra low profile tyres. If I want a "Speed Fix", I would use that and not the P38, that is reserved for comfort and my contribution to the ozone layer and tax mans pocket.
 
Irishrover said:
Well said !!!
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Also have a Vectra V6, petrol...just as it came out of the factory which also has "Plain" undrilled discs which I can assure you will stop the 150mph+ machine safely and without fade. It has the original 16" alloys with normal..not ultra low profile tyres. If I want a "Speed Fix", I would use that and not the P38, that is reserved for comfort and my contribution to the ozone layer and tax mans pocket.
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I wonder just how enthusiastically you have to drive a Rangie to get a braking system designed to retard several tons to give brake fade.
 
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But with the design of the Rangie - it is just one BIG Air Brake - judging by Top Gear this week with the new Bugatti Sport - 500 extra HP to add another 10mph at the top end - all down to wind resistance - it is a wonder I can get the RR over 70mph!
 
magictiny said:
But with the design of the Rangie - it is just one BIG Air Brake - judging by Top Gear this week with the new Bugatti Sport - 500 extra HP to add another 10mph at the top end - all down to wind resistance - it is a wonder I can get the RR over 70mph!
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Aero dynamics, drag increases as a cube of speed. So if you have a car that has 100 BHP that does 100 MPH, if you want it to do 200 MPH the drag will quadruple so you need 400 BHP.
 
well, you got me. how can making any car stop better be a dangerous thing?:doh: and yep your right there too, i do send it on. whats the problem with that, its mine. some times i do have to sit back and wonder about peoples views on uprated parts, the guy asked a question and i answered honestly without insult as i have driven with both. i think people should think before they start throwing insults about on peoples reasonable questions.
 
arron beast unleashed said:
well, you got me. how can making any car stop better be a dangerous thing?:doh: and yep your right there too, i do send it on. whats the problem with that, its mine. some times i do have to sit back and wonder about peoples views on uprated parts, the guy asked a question and i answered honestly without insult as i have driven with both. i think people should think before they start throwing insults about on peoples reasonable questions.
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Simple because if you add lots of safety equipement air bags, crumple zones seat belts, better brakes, it makes SOME people think they are immune to injury and they drive beyond the safety features negating them. Why are sports cars not the lowest insurance risk? They have better handling, better brakes, better acceleration to get you out of a tight spot. Better everything in fact, yet they draw the highest premiums. If you fitted better brakes to your Rangie then drove it normally, it is a safety feature, if you add better brakes to your Rangie then drive it in a as you say enthusiastic manner you are negating any safety advantage the fitting of those brakes gave you.
 
magictiny said:
Ohh please don't get onto the subject of people buying 4x4s cos they are deemed to be safer - this thread is long enough as it is...
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The percieved greater safety so i can drive in a more aggressive manner and at a faster speed, because i am less likely to be hurt syndrom, applies to all vehicle unfortunatly. A bit like the Robinson theory of working. But in the driving senario for some, the risk taken will expand to encompass the safety features incorporated.
 
Many years ago I used to teach CBT for motorbikers, back in them days VOLVO drivers were seen as the worst on the road (the 4x4 sceen hadn't erupted then) - Volvos were seen as the safest car in the road, therefore if you were not a confident driver, you bought a Volvo - stands for:

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i run a track car and used to used drilled disc as was lead to believe they would lose heat better but they didnt. they just got hot and wrapped due to lack of strengh in the disc where it had been drilled. i know it totally different on the road but i'd stay clear of them myself.
 
magictiny said:
Many years ago I used to teach CBT for motorbikers, back in them days VOLVO drivers were seen as the worst on the road (the 4x4 sceen hadn't erupted then) - Volvos were seen as the safest car in the road, therefore if you were not a confident driver, you bought a Volvo - stands for:

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That has now spread to all vehicles in the view of some road users. All the safety features now built in to cars exude a feeling of indistructability for some. And they drive accordingly. As long as they are cacooned in their personal crumple cell, surrounded by air bags and snuggly strapped in, they give little thought to anyone elses safety.
 
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