Jap 4x4s Vs Defenders

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lewisg said:
Justread the whole thread and it makes me laugh a bit. All the comments abouyt British is crap is just crap. Most of the innovation in the world is British. What we don't have is the nouse to back ourselves financially to keep it there. Instead we (read succesive governments) give it away dirt cheap to the opposition - wherever and whomever they are because we (governments again) can't be arsed to support British engineering. As a British Engineer (mechanical type) I know that we are the best engineers in the world, but the bas***ds at the top can't or won't see that and would prefer to make money from banking, 'cos it;s cheaper than supporting engineering. I remember the 70s when strikes were more common than workdays at BL and so on, but that was 30-odd years ago and now we don't have strikes like that, probably for a couple of reasons, not least because the bloody government has made it almost impossible to strike legally! There has been some serious ranting going on here and that's fine, everyone has the right to moan and rant, me included, but forget the who makes the best 4x4 (Land Rover obviously) and get some action going to make British goods head back to the top. Cheers, end of rant (for now).
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again big business run the show. has nothing to do with engineers. its about big business and more money in there pockets and the stock holders
 
Yes American Jeeps are crap, made by dodge. But really the whole thing is big business and bank, run the show. The ceo's make 100.s of millions they go for cheap labor. the yank and brit ceo work the chinese goverment giveing lots of money to them. the working makeing 1.50-2.00 $ an hour they are rich . land roverr ltd i do belove is owned by ford/jaguar/bmw. you go and guess how runs the show. Life is a big game, it;s how we play the game that counts.
 
redhand said:
I have been looking for a reliable smartish? vehicle to use as daily driver, occasional laner, works van. to keep me mobile until I can do a complete rebuild, on the Heap. and was seriously looking for a LWB Nissan Terrano 2.7D. Me budget was a grandish and there's plenty out there round the 98/99 age range. in much better condition than most discos at that price. a

So WTF did I buy another rotbox fooking Disco. ???? :(
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What a slow learner
 
john winsemius said:
Yes American Jeeps are crap, made by dodge. But really the whole thing is big business and bank, run the show. The ceo's make 100.s of millions they go for cheap labor. the yank and brit ceo work the chinese goverment giveing lots of money to them. the working makeing 1.50-2.00 $ an hour they are rich . land roverr ltd i do belove is owned by ford/jaguar/bmw. you go and guess how runs the show. Life is a big game, it;s how we play the game that counts.
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In 2008, Tata Motors acquired British Jaguar Land Rover (JLR), which includes the Daimler and Lanchester brand names.

sad
 
It is a sad position to be in: when someone can only find one reason to buy from a British supplier... and that is because it is British. We simply want the best vehicle for our requriements. For many of us it is a Land Rover of some desciption... for some it is not. I like my disco but I wouldn't trust my life to it! (too much rust to guarantee it'll stay in one piece!)... If I were looking for something to trust my life to I might be tempted to another marque... but the decision would be about the vehicle.... not about where it is made.
 
Ryder said:
If I were looking for something to trust my life to I might be tempted to another marque... but the decision would be about the vehicle.... not about where it is made.
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Hate to admit, but if it were a survival question then yes there would be some soul searching, but I'd probably look to get either a 300tdi Wolf Defender or a mil spec Mercedes g wagon.

failing that a Humber Pig

highly unlikely to pick up a civvy vehicle

but mostly likely to be the defender
 
Tata also own Corus, so the steel used will be UK produced for the UK produced vehicles, or is UK steel not good enough for the japfans?
 
Spacemonkey... said:
The argument can go the other way too- if we made a quality product that was affordable and reliable, then the farmer wouldn't have to buy the L200..

Most farmers are hard up enough as it is so can only afford what works. The old mantra of 'Buy British-buy twice' came about for a reason.

So if British products are so good, then why do we not have a large manufacturing base now then?


That's easy to answer. The government privatised and fcked over national industry's!!!
Thanks for that one Thatcher! :doh::doh:
All the large manufacturing bases of the world come from....
Nationalised or HEAVILY subsidised industry's like the Chinese and Indian's etc etc.

When we led the world, and we truly did, we rested too much on our laurels. 'Our customers will buy this because that is what we sell'. Outdated and it fell apart... The ****ty factories of the Leyland era never helped anyone and then the Japanese etc came along with products that were modern, better kitted out and didn't fall apart within days. And still our industry laughed at them... yes, their early cars/bikes rusted because their steel was from recycled ships, but once that was sorted rust was nowhere near the problem it was with Brit stuff.

I agree the people at the top sat on their arses, got fat, lazy and corporate-minded who then sold out to overseas interests. Overseas interests who have the square-root of FCK All in British interests. THAT'S what privatisation get's you when you allow it to.


I love Landies and old Triumphs to bits but I'm not blinkered. :rolleyes:

Neither am I but on Landies they got it right and it shows.
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brnomauser said:
their chassis lasts longer than LR ones in the same conditions. They were built to last far better than a LR, and they do. Obviously the bodies rust, but they are also stronger. There is more than rust behind a vehicles longevity. What about axle/gearbox/motor strength? All big weaknesses on LRs.
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Utter Tosh.

This guy actually own's a landrover and it is still going while the Jap 4x4 can't match it's reliability.
To state that a rust-prepped Jap car will beat a rust-prepped Landrover is bull**** of the lowest order.
 
BuzzLand said:
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Utter Tosh.

This guy actually own's a landrover and it is still going while the Jap 4x4 can't match it's reliability.
To state that a rust-prepped Jap car will beat a rust-prepped Landrover is bull**** of the lowest order.
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OK OK!!!! The japs don't build good off road 4x4's. But they do build good hard top runner for the house wife in the city or a fat ass company man, who at the golf course,said; had to use 4x4 the grass was wet and slipery. YOUR Defenders from the pic's and such are amazing in mud,sand and swimming with a snorkel. look at the 3rd world countrys with all the hard working lr's just great. Focus on the market and what they were made for #1. :welcome2:
 
john winsemius said:
Yes American Jeeps are crap, made by dodge. But really the whole thing is big business and bank, run the show.
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Jeeps are made by Chrysler. Who also make Dodge. Who are now sorta owned by Fiat. We all know the stories about them!

But off topic , but you have to compare like with like. Different age vehicles are hard to compare. For example:
The '03 Dodge Dakota sport (4.7l V8) I drive when I'm in Canada is rusty as ****. It's done no miles and lives in the garage most of the time.
The alternative transport, an '87 or '88 Dodge Dakota, 5.2l V8, isn't as rusty, has done plenty of miles, lives outside and gets heavily loaded.
Old Dakota = better build
New Dakota = cheaper to compete

Marrying into an all auto family (mostly Chrysler and GM), Yanks (and Canadians) buy yankee cars 'cos it's made there. There is huge pressure to buy your own produce; my wife couldn't drive her Honda to the Chrysler plant, people would nick bits off it and write things in the dust. My brother in law still has to drive a yankee car to the Ford plant, cos foreign stuff is "banned" from the car park! I think that's the only the big 3 survive, cos their recent output sucks. Every year i have a list of things to do on the yankee **** we drive over there.

Given the lack of patriotism over here, LR can't be making total bollocks, or nobody would buy a Landy.
LR took a view of the market and have tried to make the most of it. I think it started going down hill with the S3....that big seam along the chassis rails is just **** poor :D
However, I don't think LR are any better or worse than the other car makers right now. They use the same technologies and manufacturing processes.

Personally, I'd buy German :)
 
john winsemius said:
What a slow learner
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From A septic, I find that quite amusing. as you fookers have your arse's kicked so many times. and yet you still think that you can invade any fooker you want and actually win. 50 years more than 20 countries invaded and you still haven't won fook all. SO who's the slow learner then??? :rolleyes:
 
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redhand said:
From A septic, I find that quite amusing. as you fookers have your arse's kicked so many times. and yet you still think that you can invade any fooker you want and actually win. 50 years more than 20 countries invaded and you still haven't won fook all. SO who's the slow learner then??? :rolleyes:
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Ya got PMS or is your thong on backwards:D:D:D:D

The brit have been with us for the last 90 yrs. fighten for your freedom so you can BITCH like this. go ahead and vent that is what freeeeeeedom is all about, gave 20 yrs for the service for your freedom and mine . Why don't you rent a room to kadaphe he's looking for on. you just might get along with him:blabla::blabla::blabla::blabla::blabla::blabla::blabla::D:D:D
 
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