Evoque I'm mortified

gold rover · Sep 21, 2018

Saint.V8 said:
Not currently....

But saying the P38 or the L322 are not true Range Rover is a little harsh.

They have retained all the design cues from the Classic - Clamshell bonnet, floating roof, castellations on the leading edge, short front overhang, long rear overhang, high commanding driving position, etc etc....they are an evolution of the design....the Ejoke and to a degree the original Sport, are a bastardised version that were brought to market that bear no relation to the heritage.

The Classic was a pure design genius, it will always be the best looker of the bunch, the 2nd and 3rd generations were built on THAT heritage - the Ejoke wasn't, it was designed to make JLR money (which I don't complain about) and ignored the heritage of the Range Rover brand - hence why I have issue with it being called a Range Rover.....if it was simply the Land Rover Ejoke, no probs good luck to it.....but to be called a Range Rover is heresy to the Range Rover heritage that is the Classic we all know and love.

I do love a reasoned, sensible and most of all knowledgeable reply.
Again I need the thousand likes button

tarphenry · Sep 21, 2018

Gazbo,you are not an Australian hairdresser by any chance, are you

gold rover · Sep 21, 2018

Gazbo said:
Not really doing anything to get a bite, in fact I admire to some extent your choice to own and preserve what I believe to be a great car for it's time, it's the fantasy concept that you and some others contend that an Evoque "is not a Range Rover", simply by the fact it was made by the Rover car company, (or whatever the name is that builds Rovers these days, some Indian mob?), and wears the badge, and from what I have read is capable on and off road, and in my opinion looks the "goods" makes it what it says on the badge in my opinion.

You really are just missing the point. Or possibly refusing to see it, despite it being explained very clearly by Ant a couple of posts back. So in respect this particular issue , I'm not going to bother with you any more, because no matter how hard we try, you are the living embodiment of that old saying 'you just can't educate pork'.

Gazbo · Sep 21, 2018

gold rover said:
You really are just missing the point. Or possibly refusing to see it, despite it being explained very clearly by Ant a couple of posts back. So in respect this particular issue , I'm not going to bother with you any more, because no matter how hard we try, you are the living embodiment of that old saying 'you just can't educate pork'.

Maybe it's just you don't understand the meaning of the word "progress".

myfirstl322 · Sep 21, 2018

From a former 'pig' that's rich GR. lmao

Henry_b · Sep 21, 2018

The P38 brought something new to the table.

The P38 retained the solid beam axles and ladder chassis, so its offroad ability wasn't compromised
Unlike the Classic it didn't rot the minute it left the factory and it's interior was a massive step up from the Austin Maestro'esq interior that plagued the later hard dash range rovers..

also to some people the 38a was a nicer looking car, and i'm one of those people..

People might say oh but it has electrical gremlins!

And it does, however i'd rather deal with that than have to did out the MIG every few years to repair a new fresh hole that has appeared.

Also if some reviews are to be believed the P38a was a massive step up in the handling department aswell.

Don't think for a minute i dislike the Classic, i still lust after an Ardennes green LSE with the Brooklands kit and lichfield seats..

The Evoque isn't evolution of the RR brand, the L405 is..

The Ejoke is like a tumour attached to the RR brand and tbh i can't wait for it to be removed!!

myfirstl322 · Sep 21, 2018

Weren't the later classic dash's soft?

Saint.V8 · Sep 21, 2018

myfirstl322 said:
Weren't the later classic dash's soft?

Yep, closer resembling the Disco 1 interior.

Henry_b · Sep 21, 2018

myfirstl322 said:
Weren't the later classic dash's soft?

yes they were, i'm talking about this interior..

Note the old BL switch gear and binnacle..

This is the nicer soft dash.

myfirstl322 · Sep 21, 2018

Henry_b said:
it's interior was a massive step up from the Austin Maestro'esq interior that plagued the later hard dash range rovers..

Maybe I read it wrong?

Henry_b · Sep 21, 2018

myfirstl322 said:
Maybe I read it wrong?

Yes the RRC had many interior revisions

Oldest..

early eighties.

Late 80s to early nineties.

late nineties

The P38, the best...

Ahem..

myfirstl322 · Sep 21, 2018

You said the later ones were hard dash when in fact they were soft........

pedant rules apply.

Henry_b · Sep 21, 2018

myfirstl322 said:
You said the later ones were hard dash when in fact they were soft........

pedant rules apply.

Later "hard dash"

Not soft dash!

myfirstl322 · Sep 21, 2018

Your forgiven.

Henry_b · Sep 21, 2018

myfirstl322 said:
Your forgiven.

Good

ER1C · Sep 21, 2018

Grrrrrr said:
I don't think there's any argument that it is probably a very nice car. The only argument is about the Range Rover decal being used on it.

Ohhhh I see..

Is that cos it is better'er

Turboman · Sep 21, 2018

gold rover said:
There is that. I still think it is the LR equivalent of the 480. Volvo took a massive leap into 'the future', when they released it. The Volvo faithful were, mainly, aghast at the horror of it. I must admit I was one of the faithful, but also very young , and I lusted after one. That didnt last long, as soon as I got a glimpse of a 7 series The 480 is now a nearly forgotten deviation in their history, with most of them gone and it rarely seen on the roads.
We can but hope

I have had a couple of Volvos too, both 240 estates, and they were great workhorses.
As it happens, my mate had a 480, which he bought dirt cheap with a years ticket, and ran for several years without spending a lot of money on it.

Saint.V8 said:
And that is a nother reason I hate them (and their owners), cos it is not about the heritage and history with Ejoke owners - it is about the badge, and that, for me , is not why I drive a Range Rover .......

I drive them because I love the brand heritage, because I love reading about their history and because I love the feeling I get when I drive them.....Range Rover could be branded the Land Rover Sh!tBox, but I would still love it - the ejoke was put to market to just be a money maker (which, don't get me wrong companies need to make money and follow trends etc) which to me is not what Range Rover was all about....

I wouldn't say I hate them, they are just characterless world market SUVs, like all the others.
I don't think I will be driving one myself at any time though. TBH, I much prefer driving my boat to any wheeled vehicle these days.
Might be a mid life crisis thing.

Gazbo said:
Just like the previous owners of the lot on here's Rangies did, unless they've owned them from new, and that would indeed be rare, (who keeps a Range Rover from new?). And the "used" Evoque will probably bring with it as many problems to it's subsequent owners as the the financial grief that these Rangies bring. And to claim the Evoque is not really a Range Rover is bizarre, it's as "Range Rover" as any one made after the "original", (and best), the Classic.
Thats the never ending story of the "luxury car market".

Yes, and that will mean that there should be masses on sale very cheap second hand in a few years, for those that do fancy trying one.

doriz · Sep 21, 2018

They're a great second motor, but useless if you've a pooch any bigger than a schitsoup

Turboman · Sep 21, 2018

doriz said:
They're a great second motor, but useless if you've a pooch any bigger than a schitsoup

I don't have a pooch at all, but I still aint getting an Ejoke.

gold rover · Sep 21, 2018

Turboman said:
I have had a couple of Volvos too, both 240 estates, and they were great workhorses.
As it happens, my mate had a 480, which he bought dirt cheap with a years ticket, and ran for several years without spending a lot of money on it.

I wouldn't say I hate them, they are just characterless world market SUVs, like all the others.
I don't think I will be driving one myself at any time though. TBH, I much prefer driving my boat to any wheeled vehicle these days.
Might be a mid life crisis thing.

Yes, and that will mean that there should be masses on sale very cheap second hand in a few years, for those that do fancy trying one.

Every Volvo I ever had, even the most recent one, just worked. No faffing about, no worries about will it go or not. If the battery had been turned over once in a while, the cars worked. Few parts needed now and then but every car needs upkeep.The last one was put away each winter until middle of spring , then it was turn the key and go. My 343 after a major crash, which I would have not walked out of in any other car,at the time, started without complaint, so they could recover her. I only stopped buying Volvo , when they started to look like every other car on the road

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