Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

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"Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'll cut to the chase, my well-indoctrinated leftist, I used to be a

liberal
> Democrat until the lies & hypocrisy became too much to ignore. I register

as
> an independent and in '00 I voted for Nader. Given the crap the Democrats
> are putting up as leaders, I'll vote for Bush this time for sure.
>


A conservative is merely a liberal that has learned to read.

Welcome aboard.

 
Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
50% of his time working for the Government.

"CRWLR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'll cut to the chase, my well-indoctrinated leftist, I used to be a

> liberal
> > Democrat until the lies & hypocrisy became too much to ignore. I

register
> as
> > an independent and in '00 I voted for Nader. Given the crap the

Democrats
> > are putting up as leaders, I'll vote for Bush this time for sure.
> >

>
> A conservative is merely a liberal that has learned to read.
>
> Welcome aboard.
>



 
"The Ancient One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Douglas A. Shrader" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> "The Ancient One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >
>> >> >> Sure, got to make sure. But the UN couldn't find them, and 150,000

>US
>> >> >troops
>> >> >> haven't found them.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bingo, The UN couldn't find them, although it is well documented that
>> >they
>> >> >existed.
>> >>
>> >> Not in 2003.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >That is why they were still looking, that is why we are still
>> >> >looking. We haven't found Saddam yet either, but we know he exists as
>> >well.
>> >> >Or do you think that is also a lie?
>> >>
>> >> Is he as big as the WMD?
>> >
>> >You do realize Saddam had twelve years in which to hide them. Where is

>Jimmy
>> >Hoffa?
>> >
>> >
>> >

>> We claimed direct evidence and knowledge that WMD were there in 2003.

>
>No, we asked for proof of where they were and if they had been destroyed, as
>per the UN Mandate. Saddam refused to provide said proof. You really are
>dumb aren't you.


And we asserted that the only reason he wouldn't prove they didn't exist
was because he still had them. We were wrong.

Marc
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"Marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "The Ancient One" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> "Douglas A. Shrader" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >> "The Ancient One" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >> Sure, got to make sure. But the UN couldn't find them, and

150,000
> >US
> >> >> >troops
> >> >> >> haven't found them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bingo, The UN couldn't find them, although it is well documented

that
> >> >they
> >> >> >existed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not in 2003.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >That is why they were still looking, that is why we are still
> >> >> >looking. We haven't found Saddam yet either, but we know he exists

as
> >> >well.
> >> >> >Or do you think that is also a lie?
> >> >>
> >> >> Is he as big as the WMD?
> >> >
> >> >You do realize Saddam had twelve years in which to hide them. Where is

> >Jimmy
> >> >Hoffa?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> We claimed direct evidence and knowledge that WMD were there in 2003.

> >
> >No, we asked for proof of where they were and if they had been destroyed,

as
> >per the UN Mandate. Saddam refused to provide said proof. You really are
> >dumb aren't you.

>
> And we asserted that the only reason he wouldn't prove they didn't exist
> was because he still had them. We were wrong.
>


Were we? Just because we have not yet found them does not mean he does not
have them.


 


"Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thanks for posting the link & text, Doug. Indeed, back in the mid-70's
> > theses same looney greens took all the "global cooling" crap just as
> > seriously as they do all the hand wringing carbon dioxide theories now.
> >

>
> Your welcome. I remember it very well myself. I've mentioned it to Lloyd
> before, he always said I was lying, there was no proof any scientist had
> made such a claim.
> This article proves LP wrong again, it names names, even National Academy of
> Sciences and NOAA. And as expected, not a word From Lloyd about it. He must
> really hate being proven wrong on every statement he makes. ;-)


Heh heh! I'll bet the Lloyd types are working hard to purge that page
from the internet so they don't have such an uphill battle when debates
on the subject crop up - you know - if you can't produce it, it never
happened - just like they seem to have purged everything of the videos
of Robert Kennedy sitting immediately behind McCarthy during his
hearings, videos that you used to see occasionally up until about 8 or 9
years ago. Must have cost the Kennedys a pretty penny to get rid of
those all over the place.

Bill Putney
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Brent P wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, tortrix wrote:
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> ><fanatical anti-socialist, anti-communist crap snipped>
> >
> >> The bottom line is, CO2 is a non-poisonous, life-sustaining gas.

>
> > Tell that to the Apollo 13 astronauts.
> > What biology course did YOU take? I got two A's in biology.
> > I saw NOWHERE that humans breathe CO2.
> > Get a clue: even chemical engineering and chemistry departments
> > teach us that ANY chemical is toxic enough in high enough doses:
> > even O2 for humans and CO2 for deciduous trees.

>
> Someone is playing usenet games. Nobody is talking about "high enough
> doses" in a closed box. In the global environnment he is correct so
> long as one considers that plants are alive. CO2 is needed for life
> on this planet, it is not poisonous in the levels being discussed (in
> the atmosphere). If you think it's poisonous you shouldn't be in the
> same room with yourself. Because you spew it every momement of every
> day.
>
> > How about the freedom to live in a world with a few trees left,
> > some clean air and water, some privacy free of overpopulation,
> > and where the quality of life is better than death?

>
> Then why do developing nations get a pass? Why is the environmental movement
> not *DEMANDING* that the developing world use known methods of
> protecting the environment? Why is the environmental movement supporting
> policies that will relocate factories from the USA and western europe
> where the environment is protected to nations where it is not protected?
>
> I want a clean world where the environment is protected and not destroyed.
> This is why I try to buy products made in nations with at least a decent
> level of regulation to achieve that goal. However the environmental
> movement doesn't stand for that. They stand for some political and social
> agenda where the USA is considered evil and the standard of living must
> be knocked down several pegs. The environment is being used for an
> excuse and it sickens me.
>
> And then guess what happens when someone decides to build a wind farm
> near the homes of some rich liberals? They throw a hissy fit.


And they'll badmouth mean old big business for moving their operations
offshore to survive. Guess that's a flaw in their plan they didn't
anticipate - but I'm sure they're working on plugging that "loophole" as
we speak to make the knocking down of our standard of living that you
speak of more robust.

Bill Putney
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The Ancient One wrote:
> ...until they are proven destroyed, which even the UN said they had NOT been,.
> (You need to read the news once in awhile Lloyd) then it must be assumed
> they still exist and are an imminent threat to US and World security.


Lloyd was absent the day they taught the law of the conservation of
mass/matter.

Bill Putney
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Jonesy wrote:
>
> ...Remember that Bin Laden was following his
> convictions, too...


Just having convictions isn't enough. Just because someone has
convictions doesn't mean I respect them. Hitler had convictions.

I'd say that it makes a heck of a lot of difference **WHAT** those
convictions are. Bin Laden? Bush? - yeah, I'll take Bush any day.

Bill Putney
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The Ancient One wrote:
>
> "Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > ...You're assuming he didn't destroy them. Prove it.

>
> Irrelevant. It was up to Saddam, as per the UN resolution which every nation
> signed, to prove he had indeed destroyed them. He failed to do so, no
> further justification is required.


Unless the UN and their resolutions are meaningless. Oh wait -
apparently they are by their lack of followup!

Bill Putney
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In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney wrote:

>> And then guess what happens when someone decides to build a wind farm
>> near the homes of some rich liberals? They throw a hissy fit.

>
> And they'll badmouth mean old big business for moving their operations
> offshore to survive. Guess that's a flaw in their plan they didn't
> anticipate - but I'm sure they're working on plugging that "loophole" as
> we speak to make the knocking down of our standard of living that you
> speak of more robust.


Actually both sides are doing things that hurt the standard of
living for average citizens in the USA IMO. Each for different reasons.
The left wants control of the people (gun control, control of the
schools, control over thought and speech, control over how people
live, etc), the right wants cheap labor at home (cheap illegal immigrant
labor, direct job-to-job competition with china,india and others). But
that's just my opinon.

 
In article <[email protected]>,
The Ancient One <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >I suppose it depends on what you use as definition of the sun. Strictly,
>> >the verse implying the sun and the moon certainly comes after plants, but
>> >"light" in general came before that.

>>
>> Did God have a big halogen lamp then?

>
>If God is real, and God created the Universe, then God could have anything
>he desired, including a big Halogen light.


He preferred the color temperature of nuclear fusion, though.
--
Matthew T. Russotto [email protected]
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
 
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'll cut to the chase, my well-indoctrinated leftist


Just like I said - when you have nothing to say, you right-wingers
resort to name-calling.

FYI, I vilify both ends of the political spectrum equally. And
hypocrites abound everywhere.

> I used to be a liberal
> Democrat until the lies & hypocrisy became too much to ignore.


I don't believe it for a second.

> I register as
> an independent and in '00 I voted for Nader.


B.S. Nader was well to the left of Gore, and you sound just like a
commercial for Rush or Hannity.


> Given the crap the Democrats
> are putting up as leaders, I'll vote for Bush this time for sure.


Uhh-huh. As if there was a chance you'd vote any other way...
--
Jonesy
 
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> 50% of his time working for the Government.


Yet another right-wing lie.

No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.

More bull**** propaganda from the right.
--
Jonesy
 
[email protected] (Matthew Russotto) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> The Ancient One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> "Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >I suppose it depends on what you use as definition of the sun. Strictly,
> >> >the verse implying the sun and the moon certainly comes after plants, but
> >> >"light" in general came before that.
> >>
> >> Did God have a big halogen lamp then?

> >
> >If God is real, and God created the Universe, then God could have anything
> >he desired, including a big Halogen light.

>
> He preferred the color temperature of nuclear fusion, though.


LOL. Perfect.
--
Jonesy
 
Bill Putney <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jonesy wrote:
> >
> > ...Remember that Bin Laden was following his
> > convictions, too...

>
> Just having convictions isn't enough.


I'm not claiming it is. I am in fact claiming EXACTLY what you are
saying - having convictions isn't enough.

> Just because someone has
> convictions doesn't mean I respect them. Hitler had convictions.


Indeed. As does bin Laden and the Ayatollah, etc, etc.

> I'd say that it makes a heck of a lot of difference **WHAT** those
> convictions are.


Yes, it's true. Respecting someone just because he follows up on his
convictions is stupid.

> Bin Laden? Bush? - yeah, I'll take Bush any day.


Not me. Moral relativism is repugnant.

I'll take *neither.*

Bush is no more worthy of respect for following up his convictions
than bin Laden or Hitler - if you have to lie or propagandize to get
others to do your bidding, then maybe your cause is not as just as you
imagine...
--
Jonesy
 


Jonesy wrote:

> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > 50% of his time working for the Government.

>
> Yet another right-wing lie.
>
> No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.


In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
state and city taxes. And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.

Ed

 
Climatic change is a tremendously complicated matter, but the basic
tenets are given:

CO2 is a greenhouse gas, i.e. it traps solar heat in the atmosphere.

The modern world is spewing huge amounts of CO2 in the air.

The atmospheric content of CO2 has risen some 30% in the last 50
years. This is a huge amount for such a short time.

Climate models predict a rise in average temperature if the
atmospheric content of CO2 is significantly raised. Also it predicts
that ice caps will start melting.

Average worldwide temperature has risen in the last 50 years. Also,
ice caps are thinning by 3% a decade since the 70s.

These are facts. They are not conclusive. Some scientists believe
that there may be other reasons for this temperature rise, or even
that we are only observing a natural temperature variation. They may
be right. Still, it is also a fact that the great majority of
scientists believe that there is already a clear increase in global
temperature and that human activity is responsible for it.

If worldwide temperature keeps rising the repercussions will be
catastrophic - a true catastrophe of biblical proportions, an
unmitigated disaster for the quality of living of all humanity. This
too is a fact.

People keep asking environmentalists to "prove" that the emission of
CO2 has caused in the temperature rise, but this is not the
environmentalists' task. They only have to point to the potential
dangers. It is the industries that are responsible for the CO2
emissions that must prove that their products will not affect the
environment in a disastrous way. The onus of proof should be born by
the ones who may be destroying the environment not by the ones who try
to protect it. Most industries have to prove the safety of their
product, so why should some industries be exempt?

Oil and automobile industries will not be able to prove the safety of
their product in the short term, which does not mean that we should
all go back to horse carriages. It means that while there is
reasonable suspicion that the emission of greenhouse gases can
destabilize the global climate, the prudent response of society would
be to limit such emissions until the repercussions are clearer.
Corrective actions will be expensive which only proves that we are now
not paying the full cost our life style - we are shifting this cost to
future generations and this is not right. There is a bill to be paid
and it is cheap to try to avoid paying it.

Visit the US government site about global warming (its message is loud
and clear): http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climate.html

For a short and serious exposition about CO2 emissions and their
effect also see http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/gccourse/chem/carbon/dmreg.html

Here is a site with an opposing view (this site does not look very
serious but it includes many of the arguments given against global
warming): http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/


"Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > More like saying if you get cancer you will die from it, ignoring all the
> > cancer survivors out there. But you ignore all facts that don't agree with
> > what you already believe. You are not a scientist, you are a parrot. <

>
> "Lloyd want a CRACKER? Rawk!"

 
In article <[email protected]>, Dianelos Georgoudis wrote:
> Climatic change is a tremendously complicated matter, but the basic
> tenets are given:
>
> CO2 is a greenhouse gas, i.e. it traps solar heat in the atmosphere.
> The modern world is spewing huge amounts of CO2 in the air.
> The atmospheric content of CO2 has risen some 30% in the last 50
> years. This is a huge amount for such a short time.


> Climate models predict a rise in average temperature if the
> atmospheric content of CO2 is significantly raised. Also it predicts
> that ice caps will start melting.


Climate models are based on temp rising with CO2 content. Just because
it comes out of a computer doesn't make it accurate or fact.

> Average worldwide temperature has risen in the last 50 years. Also,
> ice caps are thinning by 3% a decade since the 70s.


> These are facts. They are not conclusive. Some scientists believe
> that there may be other reasons for this temperature rise, or even
> that we are only observing a natural temperature variation. They may
> be right. Still, it is also a fact that the great majority of
> scientists believe that there is already a clear increase in global
> temperature and that human activity is responsible for it.


Well, here's today's news:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994321

I am sure parker will just call it a 'right-wing' publication
or something to dismiss it all.

> People keep asking environmentalists to "prove" that the emission of
> CO2 has caused in the temperature rise, but this is not the
> environmentalists' task. They only have to point to the potential
> dangers. It is the industries that are responsible for the CO2
> emissions that must prove that their products will not affect the
> environment in a disastrous way. The onus of proof should be born by
> the ones who may be destroying the environment not by the ones who try
> to protect it. Most industries have to prove the safety of their
> product, so why should some industries be exempt?


Have you, as a breathing human, puting CO2 into the atmosphere been
proven safe? CO2 is part of the carbon cycle on the planet, there's
nothing unsafe about it in and of itself. So the question becomes how much
CO2 being produced is too much if any? That's the question. With
regard to CO2 the products are safe, just as with regard to CO2
humans are safe. The question is do all these sources combined pose
a problem? Are the things that take CO2 from the air overwhelmed?
Will there be a balance point? etc etc etc. Do higher levels pose
a problem as well?

And that's the rub. that's where the *CONTROL* comes in. Where central
authority will control CO2 output and thusly practically everything.

> Oil and automobile industries will not be able to prove the safety of
> their product in the short term, which does not mean that we should
> all go back to horse carriages.


Then we'd have to regulate the CO2 output of the horses. (Because we'd
want to make sure more CO2 was being taken from the air than put back
in)

> It means that while there is
> reasonable suspicion that the emission of greenhouse gases can
> destabilize the global climate, the prudent response of society would
> be to limit such emissions until the repercussions are clearer.
> Corrective actions will be expensive which only proves that we are now
> not paying the full cost our life style - we are shifting this cost to
> future generations and this is not right. There is a bill to be paid
> and it is cheap to try to avoid paying it.


What it really gets down to is too many people. Not having enough
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else.

 
I wasn't aware that morons were confined to one particular political party.

DAS
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[........]
> survive. Frankly, it's morons like this who vote for Democrats and believe
> in greenhouse gasses!

[.......]



 
"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Jonesy wrote:
>
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just spent
> > > 50% of his time working for the Government.

> >
> > Yet another right-wing lie.
> >
> > No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.

>
> In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay. I'd guess some engineers in high
> tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both sides, not just "your half") and
> state and city taxes.


Well, heck, if you're going to throw in EVERYTHING, then that sort of
eliminates the "paycheck" portion of Gerald's lie.

The fact is that the consumer pays all the taxes of the companies from
which s/he buys, plus their own. If you add it all up, then yeah, you
can make the claim that we are taxed at some 50% (or whatever
arbitrary number can be picked from a hat.)

But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government.
Especially just starting out - even an engineer.

> And if you include all the taxes you pay, both direct annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
> of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.


It wasn't "governements" but "The Government."

And does anyone really think that taxes have been reduced by the
current administration? Maybe the very same folks who believe their
income is increased when they use a credit card...
--
Jonesy
 
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