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Ted Azito
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> > |> No one has given me a clear answer on how tough Land Rovers are.
> > |> Especially compared to the Hummer (military version) or the other
> > |> military vehicles like the Unimog.
> > |>
> > |
> > |
> > |They are not 'tough' in the way an Unimog is tough. For instance, a
> > |Unimog can have a lime spreader mounted to the rear body and carry and
> > |spread four or five tons of lime over ploughed but uncultivated land.
> > |A Land Rover cannot do this. The old Bedford military wagons could do
> > |this.
> > |Compare apples with apples not oranges.
> >
> > American soldiers abuse their vehicles in ways that European
> > soldiers do not. The Unimog and the Hummer, being used as a
> > reference against what I would compare other vehicles. US trucks
> > will not take the operator abuse that the Unimog or Hummer take.
> > Can the LR take that level of abuse?
> >
> > Also we have seen Army Rangers go "dune buggying" in Afghanistan.
> > They like to pop the vehicle into the air over the top of low
> > hills. Sort of like Baja. US troops are very rough on vehicles.
The HMMWV is a good piece of machinery for its design purpose as are
the LR Defender and Series vehicles. Those purposes are very
different.
The width and size of the HMMWV make it ridiculous in American cities
and impossible in others. Many people in the U.S. military would
prefer a modern version of the M38/M151 type vehicle in addition to
the HMMWV.
In addition, the HMMWV has compromises that sooner or later will
catch up with it as a military vehicle. It has a civilian diesel as
opposed to a multifuel engine-it will eat JP5 with a little oil in it
but JP4, gasoline, heavy marine diesel fuels are out. And despite its
size and weight it has no armoring per se.
Land Rovers were the traditional choice of people who really needed
to get around in difficult places-as opposed to American Jeepers who
were more interested in finding out how difficult a place they could
get around in for recreational purposes. Because a diesel isn't
offered, the modern version of the "real jeep"-the Wrangler-isn't
fully taken seriously in many parts.
> > |> Especially compared to the Hummer (military version) or the other
> > |> military vehicles like the Unimog.
> > |>
> > |
> > |
> > |They are not 'tough' in the way an Unimog is tough. For instance, a
> > |Unimog can have a lime spreader mounted to the rear body and carry and
> > |spread four or five tons of lime over ploughed but uncultivated land.
> > |A Land Rover cannot do this. The old Bedford military wagons could do
> > |this.
> > |Compare apples with apples not oranges.
> >
> > American soldiers abuse their vehicles in ways that European
> > soldiers do not. The Unimog and the Hummer, being used as a
> > reference against what I would compare other vehicles. US trucks
> > will not take the operator abuse that the Unimog or Hummer take.
> > Can the LR take that level of abuse?
> >
> > Also we have seen Army Rangers go "dune buggying" in Afghanistan.
> > They like to pop the vehicle into the air over the top of low
> > hills. Sort of like Baja. US troops are very rough on vehicles.
The HMMWV is a good piece of machinery for its design purpose as are
the LR Defender and Series vehicles. Those purposes are very
different.
The width and size of the HMMWV make it ridiculous in American cities
and impossible in others. Many people in the U.S. military would
prefer a modern version of the M38/M151 type vehicle in addition to
the HMMWV.
In addition, the HMMWV has compromises that sooner or later will
catch up with it as a military vehicle. It has a civilian diesel as
opposed to a multifuel engine-it will eat JP5 with a little oil in it
but JP4, gasoline, heavy marine diesel fuels are out. And despite its
size and weight it has no armoring per se.
Land Rovers were the traditional choice of people who really needed
to get around in difficult places-as opposed to American Jeepers who
were more interested in finding out how difficult a place they could
get around in for recreational purposes. Because a diesel isn't
offered, the modern version of the "real jeep"-the Wrangler-isn't
fully taken seriously in many parts.
