Classic historic vehicle rebuild

I have - I have just read it again, It's a well written piece of information if a little out of date. I see no part of it that contradicts my point of view. Which part do you think does?

andy46 said:

I have - I have just read it again, It's a well written piece of information if a little out of date. I see no part of it that contradicts my point of view. Which part do you think does?

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I´ll have to read it again...but the mention of body to chassis being secondhand will need a test and issue a Q plate if I read it correctly...

Yes a problem area he identifies is the use of secondhand chassis (which always carry their own, often scrapped or destroyed ID) If yo're not using the ID which goes with the chassis (either because it's been scrapped/thrown away or you can't use it as you are not also using enough other components of that doner vehicle) then you will need a SVA or IVA test and will be issued with a Q plate. That's not what I'm doing.

andy46 said:

Yes a problem area he identifies is the use of secondhand chassis (which always carry their own, often scrapped or destroyed ID) If yo're not using the ID which goes with the chassis (either because it's been scrapped/thrown away or you can't use it as you are not also using enough other components of that doner vehicle) then you will need a SVA or IVA test and will be issued with a Q plate. That's not what I'm doing.

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I get that...how will you fare with the fact the vin plate under the bonnet which matches the chassis number will show a different model\style if you stick a Disco body on it and also a different year possibly as they mention in the VOSA section ...

edit...we cant do anything like this in Portugal cant even change wheel size...

@Shippers
You can put 1 of them 101 type body kits onto the chassis & retain a reg.
( I think this is fine as the body is new)

Im glad this thread asks good Qs I’m off to see if the 6x6 disco has any updates

Hicap phill said:

@Shippers
You can put 1 of them 101 type body kits onto the chassis & retain a reg.
( I think this is fine as the body is new)

Im glad this thread asks good Qs I’m off to see if the 6x6 disco has any updates

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What type of body kit is that sounds interesting....

I still don’t quite understand....

You are going to restore a classic RR why do you need to involve any agency?
Get it as standard as possible and you will probably be fine to get the tax/mot exemption...... or am I missing something?
Even if you don’t it’s still a restored Classic and it would have value in that.

Some interesting arguments along the same lines (old but relevant) https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/12864-disco-to-defender-body-swap/

What’s the diff between the “historical “ label and tax/mot exempt?

So your gonna have 2 IDs on 1 car if you put the disco body on or are you gonna change the vin plates from the bodies

J

@marjon
You should not swap a defender body onto a disco chassis as “modifications to the chassis” rule applies

Shippers said:

What type of body kit is that sounds interesting....

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http://www.rotodama.co.uk/

I did see this at the show & looked fun.
Even my Mrs said if I get the tube bender out I will be battered

Hicap phill said:

@marjon
You should not swap a defender body onto a disco chassis as “modifications to the chassis” rule applies

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Does it what if you modified the body after all is not structural is it . It was the discussion that was relevant.
As they also discussed a % of chassis front and back could be removed?

I can bolt anything to anything, what happens afterwards is not my problem

J

marjon said:

Does it what if you modified the body after all is not structural is it . It was the discussion that was relevant.
As they also discussed a % of chassis front and back could be removed?

I can bolt anything to anything, what happens afterwards is not my problem

J

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I think the lack of rear crossmember on the disco chassis is the problem.
Something about not having the wheels protected from things going underneath.

@marjon i have seen moggy minors on modified range chassis.
There also was a mini estate
Plus a racing freelander

The VIN plate is a removable item - and it's removal does not in itself break any laws, removal of a stamped chassis No can be a different matter especially if it's removal is an attempt to hide a stolen vehicle or to hide an incorrect rebuild in an attempt to defraud the DVLA of road tax, in these cases the law is broken by stealing a vehicle and committing fraud - not just by removing a plate or number. Not having a VIN plate or stamped chassis number would cause any one looking to ask questions as to the legitimacy of the vehicle, I will be able to answer any such questions honestly and provide evidence to support my answers if required. Checking the existence of a VIN No is part of the UK MOT test. The RRC one is currently in a safe place waiting to be fixed to whatever body I end up fitting. the disco one will probably be sold with it's rolling chassis after I have removed the body, engine and gearbox from it or I could just bin it - if I think it could be used by someone to steal a disco and then hide it's ID I'll just bin it.
You are of course correct that the letters and numbers stamped on the chassis and VIN plate do identify what style of body, trim level, engine, transmission etc. the vehicle originally had, along with make, model, year and place of manufacture but none of this is relevant to the authorities unless the vehicle is stolen. It is simply a unique number supplied by the manufacturer to identify that individual vehicle and as such satisfies DVLA. These coded numbers can and are used by the police to identify stolen vehicles if the coded info doesn't match the actual vehicle then there has to be a good chance that the vehicle is stolen but this does not concern me as the vehicle is not reported stolen and I haven't stolen it. I will at all times be able to offer a proper explanation and back it up with evidence if required. In reality, I'm unlikely to be asked and very unlikely to asked often.

I am aware that the situation is different in other countries, Germany is particularly bad I believe. Most of Portugal is nice and sunny tho especially the Algarve so bear that in mind next time you're buying tyresis. .

andy46 said:

Checking the existence of a VIN No is part of the UK MOT test

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Could cause problems if MOT inspector or plod at a roadside check dont agree with your explanation and inform VOSA who would be interested...
Warm and sunny today but supposed to be ****ing down tomorrow...so wont be going out in the 101 on bargrips thats for sure...lol...and still waiting on matriculation its a nightmare here...

marjon said:

I still don’t quite understand....

You are going to restore a classic RR why do you need to involve any agency?
Get it as standard as possible and you will probably be fine to get the tax/mot exemption...... or am I missing something?
Even if you don’t it’s still a restored Classic and it would have value in that.

Some interesting arguments along the same lines (old but relevant) https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/12864-disco-to-defender-body-swap/

What’s the diff between the “historical “ label and tax/mot exempt?

So your gonna have 2 IDs on 1 car if you put the disco body on or are you gonna change the vin plates from the bodies

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Simple answer - budget, see if you can find a fairly complete useable standard 2 door RRC body for less than 5K even if you buy a bit here and another bit there, I got a complete useable disco with running engine and gearbox for £500.

I am not restoring a RRC, I am recommissioning an otherwise knackered old rangey into a useable vehicle for my own purpose. I don't need to involve any agency but there are legal rules which must be followed because at some point due to the apparent sketchiness of what I'm doing I expect an agency to involve themselves with me.

There are 2 sets of rules which apply to what I'm doing, one involves the registration of the vehicle and decides whether it is entitled to keep it's current registration number and therefore it's current ID as a 40 year old vehicle or whether it requires to be re-registered and then under which scheme it should be registered and whether it needs to pass any test such as an Individual Vehicle Assesment or IVA. Obviously I want to keep it simple and just keep the current ID which will also mean that the vehicle is recognised as being over 40 years old and I won't have to pay for road tax after april. The other set of rules decides whether the vehicle is sufficiently "standard" as to be not considered "substantially altered" and therefore not subject to requirement of an annual MOT test. This is of secondary importance to me but as the two sets of rules are similar I may as well comply with both if possible.

I just answered the VIN plate question for Shippers

I'm going for a look at the other thread now -Ta

Shippers said:

Could cause problems if MOT inspector or plod at a roadside check dont agree with your explanation and inform VOSA who would be interested...

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Absolutely right. That's why I'm taking time to make sure what I want to do fits all relevant rules and if it doesn't I'm still at the stage where plans can be altered. If I get it right then when or if DVSA (VOSA changed their name) show an interest I can make them a cup of tea, sit back and watch them do their job.

Hicap phill said:

You can put 1 of them 101 type body kits onto the chassis & retain a reg.
( I think this is fine as the body is new)

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Hang on a minute I think I've got another idea

andy46 said:

Hang on a minute I think I've got another idea

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What’s that?


Just keep the disco & save all the hassle?

I can see the body of a disco been just as bad & needing lots of repairs even before removing it from the chassis.
As for an IVA these can be easy as you are keeping things standard.
(My last Iva was 30 years ago but rules are nearly the same)

my early post with that 101 kit bolted to the chassis so no modifications.
Your problem is the engine & gearbox change to modern standards.

bugger. 11K +vat - it aint apnin

no I followed your link to that 101 - loved it but then went back and found the price