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dandd

dandd

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Right then.
Desperately after a series Land Rover again to have a toy through the winter for the kids. My 2 and 3 year old bloody love my vintage bits and bobs.

My SWB is in hundreds of bits and no where near being rebuilt until the boys are at school.

I’ve seen some reasonably priced ex mod 109’s but I would need to fit rear forward/rear facing seats and 3 point seat belts.

I will not be going for the mega expensive exmoor trim set up.

Basically what I’m asking is, does anyone know the measurement between the wheel arches in side the tub?

Does anyone know of side by side seats that will fit in the rear of a series Land Rover from any other vehicle make that works well for this?

Any other options or opinions would be great.

I’ve been looking for a while seems that ex mod are the cheapest land rovers at the minute.

Cheers
 
I know this isn’t helping with measurements but I would not fit them side by side unless going for rear facing against the bulkhead. Side by side leaves very limited space between then For access. I would fit one behind the other down one side or fit rear facing ones so the back is against the bulkhead.
 
dandd said:
I’ve seen some reasonably priced ex mod 109’s
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What do you mean by reasonably priced? I've been looking for a while as well for a 109 truck cab that I can use to carry firewood about and they all seen ridiculously overpriced. Be glad when they're not cool to the knobends that are prepared to pay over inflated prices for them and we get back to reality.
 
Rodeo Joe said:
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What do you mean by reasonably priced? I've been looking for a while as well for a 109 truck cab that I can use to carry firewood about and they all seen ridiculously overpriced. Be glad when they're not cool to the knobends that are prepared to pay over inflated prices for them and we get back to reality.
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I agree
Not sure if that is going to happen though. I’m looking arround the £3k mark I reckon
 
dag019 said:
I know this isn’t helping with measurements but I would not fit them side by side unless going for rear facing against the bulkhead. Side by side leaves very limited space between then For access. I would fit one behind the other down one side or fit rear facing ones so the back is against the bulkhead.
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Might even just get the one in the back which should be a dam sight easier.
One of the kids can go in the front
Cheers for your comments
 
Get one with a bonnet spare wheel. One of them could sit in that. :D

How do you propose to fix said seats to the soft aluminium tub body. :eek:
Be orible if the whole thing lets go in a bump and your faced with a manslaughter charge.
 
With respect your idea isn't viable in a LWB landy (seating). Get an old banger that's road legal to taxi your family and focus on rebuilding what you've got. You are complicating things somewhat. Separate the landy stuff from day to day ?
 
I do a lot of longish runs in my ex-MOD S2a and son (now 8), we've just come back from a week in Dorset ( just done 140 miles this evening ). He's been a regular passenger since he was 5. He loves it because he doesn't get car sick and its very "child mess" friendly. I put a lot of thought into the seatbelts and they are all fixed into approved doubler plates (rounded edges etc) under the body with the centre shoulder on a special braket to get the right height. Also have roll bar padding (proper stuff, not pipe insulation!) around the door pillars and he uses a booster seat. We have a side facing rear but its only used for adults if there are 4 of us, otherwise he fits in the centre seat and we engage overdrive by agreement! You can get the doubler plates from race/rally shops and they come with test/approval for scrutineering. We also have a load screen to protect us if we have a lot in the back. I once did an emergency stop in a Jag and and got hit very hard on the back of my head by the crooklock I used to keep on the parcel shelf. We currently have a set up with MOD Bowman headsets for noise that are connected to the radio but getting the mikes to work has beaten me so next step is a rally intercom, but one option is to go for a rally helmet set up with built in intercoms. I rather like this on safety grounds, but drving a series in a helmet would be odd.
 
rob1miles said:
I do a lot of longish runs in my ex-MOD S2a and son (now 8), we've just come back from a week in Dorset ( just done 140 miles this evening ). He's been a regular passenger since he was 5. He loves it because he doesn't get car sick and its very "child mess" friendly. I put a lot of thought into the seatbelts and they are all fixed into approved doubler plates (rounded edges etc) under the body with the centre shoulder on a special braket to get the right height. Also have roll bar padding (proper stuff, not pipe insulation!) around the door pillars and he uses a booster seat. We have a side facing rear but its only used for adults if there are 4 of us, otherwise he fits in the centre seat and we engage overdrive by agreement! You can get the doubler plates from race/rally shops and they come with test/approval for scrutineering. We also have a load screen to protect us if we have a lot in the back. I once did an emergency stop in a Jag and and got hit very hard on the back of my head by the crooklock I used to keep on the parcel shelf. We currently have a set up with MOD Bowman headsets for noise that are connected to the radio but getting the mikes to work has beaten me so next step is a rally intercom, but one option is to go for a rally helmet set up with built in intercoms. I rather like this on safety grounds, but drving a series in a helmet would be odd.
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I just keep a Mr Man plaster in my pocket for emergencies. :rolleyes:
 
All
I don’t need to buy a series I just want to to use occasionally when I’m not working on a weekend, to take the kids out.
Went with a lwb series because of budget and space. It will be as safe as houses when done I wouldn’t put them in anything in safe. Have experience of installing eyes seatbelts and brackets and anchor points etc.
Was simply trying to find out if anyone had done it before and could recommend seating and possible mounts/reinforcement etc.
 
Re safety I think there are some basic decisions that shape how you approach it:
1 Obviously defensive driving and choice of routes and times makes a big differnce to the risk from other vehicles. You can't prevent all accidents but I think being aware of the series limitations at all times is important.
2 Your aim for the seatbelts Mine was to hold the occupants to the seats and body so I made strong body fixings with 5mm doubler plates under the body sections and close to hard points on the body. An alternative is to hold the occupants to the chassis through the body, this is what you would do for competition and with a full roll cage. My aim was to hold the occupants in their seats and away from hard parts of the body and to protect them if the body separated locally from the chassis. I don't know that there is a definative answer to this.
3 There are a lot of hard edges in a series, especially a 1,2 or 2A and its hard to know how much work to put into "softening" them. I padded the door pillars and that's about it. I do make sure my son always sits back in his seat so that the inertia real can do its job. A break off type rear view mirror is probably the next easy mod, but I'm also warming to helmets, we used them for cycling, skiing, skateboarding, sailing and (obviouly) motor cycling so there is some logic to this.
4 Roll protection is poor and short of some serious work there's not much can be done. I have been looking at a combined load screen / roll protection (not anti-roll bar, more crush protection) but it looks like there is very little on the market.
5 Sitting in the rear is always a compromise, its no different to a bus - no seatbelts or child seats and if you keep to bus speeds there may not be a problem, its more about how you look at the risk and how and where/when you plan to drive
 
Just ask a local friendly bus driver to drive it for you. None of his passengers wear seat belts and strangely enough few are killed.

Or should that be luckily :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
My kids grew up in the days before seat belts were compulsory, my series doesn't have them in the back. I take nine year old grandson out in it occasionally and use the lap belt on the middle seat. Admittedly, we don't go far and don't go fast. He is much more at risk risk from the exhaust fumes that fill the cab.

Col
 
Just don't plonk a pair of forward-facing seats side-by-side in the back with little or no gap in between. Sounds like a good idea until you ask how the rear passengers are to get out in an emergency. Rear facing is better as then they can get out easier via the back door. Alternatively, in a LWB put two seats on the same side, one behind the other.

Though as noted, if you have side-facing benches then seat belts aren't required to be fitted and they've never been compulsory on this type of seat. If you do fit belts, lap belts only. Bizarrely though if you do fit belts then kids then aren't allowed to sit there!
 
FlyingPete said:
Though as noted, if you have side-facing benches then seat belts aren't required to be fitted and they've never been compulsory on this type of seat. If you do fit belts, lap belts only. Bizarrely though if you do fit belts then kids then aren't allowed to sit there!
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As a 14 year old child who was sat on a sideways bench when the series 3 rolled over several times I would say seatbelts in the rear are a must. They prevented myself and my brother from being thrown around and kept us away from the roof as it caved in.
 
Clunkbucket said:
As a 14 year old child who was sat on a sideways bench when the series 3 rolled over several times I would say seatbelts in the rear are a must. They prevented myself and my brother from being thrown around and kept us away from the roof as it caved in.
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Was it travelling off road when it rolled over?

Col
 
Colthebrummie said:
Was it travelling off road when it rolled over?

Col
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No, it was on the M6 north bound approaching Carlisle. Initially hit from the rear by a fast moving truck which sent the land rover up the steep banking on the left resulting in the roll finishing in the middle lane the right way up.
 
Clunkbucket said:
No, it was on the M6 north bound approaching Carlisle. Initially hit from the rear by a fast moving truck which sent the land rover up the steep banking on the left resulting in the roll finishing in the middle lane the right way up.
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Nasty. That is one of the reasons I don't take my old landy on motorways, it struggles to keep up with big lorries and some cut it fine when overtaking.

Col
 
Blumming hell
Might just save up a wee bit and buy something that came out the factory with rear seats and seat belts.
Or on the flip side buy a tractor with a cab and we can mooch about in that.
 
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