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Grumpy

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Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
expectations?



More directly, did your Jeep Grand Cherokee suffer a premature rear axle
bearing failure? Did you find your contacts with Chrysler Corporation to be
unproductive in getting assistance to pay for the repair?



I invite you to email your story, photos and receipts to



http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com



All information will be turned over to a lawyer for possible class action
status.



All information will be kept strictly confidential. Stories and photos will
be shared to attract more owners of defective Grand Cherokees.



Check updates at



http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com



Thank You


 

"Grumpy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
> expectations?
>
>
>
> More directly, did your Jeep Grand Cherokee suffer a premature rear axle
> bearing failure? Did you find your contacts with Chrysler Corporation to
be
> unproductive in getting assistance to pay for the repair?
>
>
>
> I invite you to email your story, photos and receipts to
>
>
>
> http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> All information will be turned over to a lawyer for possible class action
> status.
>
>
>
> All information will be kept strictly confidential. Stories and photos
will
> be shared to attract more owners of defective Grand Cherokees.
>
>
>
> Check updates at
>
>
>
> http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> Thank You

Hello Grumpy and group

I visited the website and just sent an email detailing my experiences.'
Good for you to take the time to get this started !

BTW.

The email link from the blogspot webpage is wrong.
It should read [email protected]

and not [email protected]/

For those interested:

I have posted here several times regarding this problem and had varying
responses.
The email I just sent to Grumpy reads like this: . .

****************************************************************************
*
Interesting.
Just saw this in rec.jeep

In a six month period I had the bearings replaced three times and the third
time I had to get a new carrier, half shaft and posi clutch.
This was all before the odometer had reached 150,000 Km.
It cost me CDN $2400. (actually more including tax)

The vehicle is a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee Orvis edition.
It is presently for sale.

I have all the receipts, but no pictures.

By the way . . .

[email protected]/

doesn't work.
It should read like this . . .

[email protected]

****************************************************************************
**********


 
No problems with either of my wife's two Grand Cherokees. We had such a
great experience together with very good reliability with our '99 that we
traded it in on an '02, both with the superb 4.7L V8 engine. The 2002 is
doing fine, as we expected it would. We've had great luck with all four
Jeeps we have purchased.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
"JP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:F0FEc.58374$HS3.56380@edtnps84...
>
> "Grumpy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
> > expectations?
> >
> >
> >
> > More directly, did your Jeep Grand Cherokee suffer a premature rear axle
> > bearing failure? Did you find your contacts with Chrysler Corporation
to
> be
> > unproductive in getting assistance to pay for the repair?
> >
> >
> >
> > I invite you to email your story, photos and receipts to
> >
> >
> >
> > http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > All information will be turned over to a lawyer for possible class
action
> > status.
> >
> >
> >
> > All information will be kept strictly confidential. Stories and photos
> will
> > be shared to attract more owners of defective Grand Cherokees.
> >
> >
> >
> > Check updates at
> >
> >
> >
> > http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You
>
> Hello Grumpy and group
>
> I visited the website and just sent an email detailing my experiences.'
> Good for you to take the time to get this started !
>
> BTW.
>
> The email link from the blogspot webpage is wrong.
> It should read [email protected]
>
> and not [email protected]/
>
> For those interested:
>
> I have posted here several times regarding this problem and had varying
> responses.
> The email I just sent to Grumpy reads like this: . .
>
>
****************************************************************************
> *
> Interesting.
> Just saw this in rec.jeep
>
> In a six month period I had the bearings replaced three times and the
third
> time I had to get a new carrier, half shaft and posi clutch.
> This was all before the odometer had reached 150,000 Km.
> It cost me CDN $2400. (actually more including tax)
>
> The vehicle is a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee Orvis edition.
> It is presently for sale.
>
> I have all the receipts, but no pictures.
>
> By the way . . .
>
> [email protected]/
>
> doesn't work.
> It should read like this . . .
>
> [email protected]
>
>
****************************************************************************
> **********
>
>


 


Grumpy wrote:

> Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
> expectations?
>

It is a Chrysler product, what do you mean expectations.

Living under a rock the last 20 years

I own a jeep wrangler and I know it work every now and then

Want a boring reliable car ???? buy a Honda or toyota like my 90 year
old grandpa has and stop whining .......
 

"JohanB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Grumpy wrote:
>
> > Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
> > expectations?
> >
>
> It is a Chrysler product, what do you mean expectations.

* - Are you slamming Chrysler or praising them ?


>
> Living under a rock the last 20 years

* - Now I gotta tell you, I'm real sorry to hear that but hopefully things
will improve soon.

>
> I own a jeep wrangler and I know it work every now and then

* - Yes, its nice when our cars work occasionally. That's one of the main
reasons I buy one actually.

>
> Want a boring reliable car ???? buy a Honda or toyota like my 90 year
> old grandpa has and stop whining .......

I'm sorry, this is rec.auto.jeep, perhaps you'd have better luck selling
your grandpa's toyota on another newsgroup.


 
>

Sounds to me you should have found a new mechanic...3 times in 6 months
leads me to believe the repair wasn't done correctly. Not unheard of to need
new bearings at 90,000 miles.

>
****************************************************************************
> *
> Interesting.
> Just saw this in rec.jeep
>
> In a six month period I had the bearings replaced three times and the
third
> time I had to get a new carrier, half shaft and posi clutch.
> This was all before the odometer had reached 150,000 Km.
> It cost me CDN $2400. (actually more including tax)
>
> The vehicle is a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee Orvis edition.
> It is presently for sale.
>
> I have all the receipts, but no pictures.
>
> By the way . . .
>
> [email protected]/
>
> doesn't work.
> It should read like this . . .
>
> [email protected]
>
>
****************************************************************************
> **********
>
>


 
Yes, Matt.
There's some truth to that.
The third repair was done by another shop.
/they did tell me that very few mechanics are able to set up the Dana 44s
correctly particularly if they use the specs from Chrysler.
Chrysler specs them too tight.
This particular shop does a lot of these rear ends and they were very
critical of them.


"Matt Macchiarolo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
>
> Sounds to me you should have found a new mechanic...3 times in 6 months
> leads me to believe the repair wasn't done correctly. Not unheard of to
need
> new bearings at 90,000 miles.
>
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > *
> > Interesting.
> > Just saw this in rec.jeep
> >
> > In a six month period I had the bearings replaced three times and the
> third
> > time I had to get a new carrier, half shaft and posi clutch.
> > This was all before the odometer had reached 150,000 Km.
> > It cost me CDN $2400. (actually more including tax)
> >
> > The vehicle is a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee Orvis edition.
> > It is presently for sale.
> >
> > I have all the receipts, but no pictures.
> >
> > By the way . . .
> >
> > [email protected]/
> >
> > doesn't work.
> > It should read like this . . .
> >
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > **********
> >
> >
>
>


 


JohanB wrote:

>
>
> Grumpy wrote:
>
>> Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
>> expectations?
>>
>
> It is a Chrysler product, what do you mean expectations.
>
> Living under a rock the last 20 years
>
> I own a jeep wrangler and I know it work every now and then

Offcourse that should read:

I own a jeep wrangler and I know it NEEDS work every now and then

>
> Want a boring reliable car ???? buy a Honda or toyota like my 90 year
> old grandpa has and stop whining .......
 


JP wrote:

> * - Are you slamming Chrysler or praising them ?

Both

>>Living under a rock the last 20 years


Forgot the ????? Meaning ,it is a chrysler, not the most reliable car.
You either buy, drive and repair them when they break down( like me ) or
sell it and buy something else more reliable


>
>
> * - Now I gotta tell you, I'm real sorry to hear that but hopefully things
> will improve soon.
>
I am fine, thanks for asking, howbout yourself.....

>
>>I own a jeep wrangler and I know it work every now and then
>
should be NEED work every now and then

>
> * - Yes, its nice when our cars work occasionally. That's one of the main
> reasons I buy one actually.


<occasionally >, As long as you keep that in mind, those repairs wont
come as a surprise and you dont have to cry to us about it
>

>
>>Want a boring reliable car ???? buy a Honda or toyota like my 90 year
>>old grandpa has and stop whining .......
>
>
> I'm sorry, this is rec.auto.jeep, perhaps you'd have better luck selling
> your grandpa's toyota on another newsgroup.
>

OK , let me also explain the last remark since you also didnt get that 1

It states LIKE my grandpa's car , not BUY my grandpa's car.

Let use these groups to help each other with technical problems, not to
cry and bitch all the time. You bought a CAR , not a $25000 swiss
precision watch.
Cars break down.... some more then others, fix em and move on or sell
it and buy something else.

AND AGAIN NO !!!! MY GRANDPA'S CAR IS NOT FOR SALE !!!!!

 
How much is your Grandpa looking to get for his car?


"JohanB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
:
: JP wrote:
:
: > * - Are you slamming Chrysler or praising them ?
:
: Both
:
: >>Living under a rock the last 20 years
:
:
: Forgot the ????? Meaning ,it is a chrysler, not the most reliable car.
: You either buy, drive and repair them when they break down( like me ) or
: sell it and buy something else more reliable
:
:
: >
: >
: > * - Now I gotta tell you, I'm real sorry to hear that but hopefully
things
: > will improve soon.
: >
: I am fine, thanks for asking, howbout yourself.....
:
: >
: >>I own a jeep wrangler and I know it work every now and then
: >
: should be NEED work every now and then
:
: >
: > * - Yes, its nice when our cars work occasionally. That's one of the
main
: > reasons I buy one actually.
:
:
: <occasionally >, As long as you keep that in mind, those repairs wont
: come as a surprise and you dont have to cry to us about it
: >
:
: >
: >>Want a boring reliable car ???? buy a Honda or toyota like my 90 year
: >>old grandpa has and stop whining .......
: >
: >
: > I'm sorry, this is rec.auto.jeep, perhaps you'd have better luck selling
: > your grandpa's toyota on another newsgroup.
: >
:
: OK , let me also explain the last remark since you also didnt get that 1
:
: It states LIKE my grandpa's car`, not BUY my grandpa's car.
:
: Let use these groups to help each other with technical problems, not to
: cry and bitch all the time. You bought a CAR , not a $25000 swiss
: precision watch.
: Cars break down.... some more then others, fix em and move on or sell
: it and buy something else.
:
: AND AGAIN NO !!!! MY GRANDPA'S CAR IS NOT FOR SALE !!!!!
:


 
He doesnt look that much anymore, almost blind, his dog does most of his
driving for him.........

Johan

Cherokee-LTD wrote:

> How much is your Grandpa looking to get for his car?
>
>
> "JohanB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> :
> :
> : JP wrote:
> :
> : > * - Are you slamming Chrysler or praising them ?
> :
> : Both
> :
> : >>Living under a rock the last 20 years
> :
> :
> : Forgot the ????? Meaning ,it is a chrysler, not the most reliable car.
> : You either buy, drive and repair them when they break down( like me ) or
> : sell it and buy something else more reliable
> :
> :
> : >
> : >
> : > * - Now I gotta tell you, I'm real sorry to hear that but hopefully
> things
> : > will improve soon.
> : >
> : I am fine, thanks for asking, howbout yourself.....
> :
> : >
> : >>I own a jeep wrangler and I know it work every now and then
> : >
> : should be NEED work every now and then
> :
> : >
> : > * - Yes, its nice when our cars work occasionally. That's one of the
> main
> : > reasons I buy one actually.
> :
> :
> : <occasionally >, As long as you keep that in mind, those repairs wont
> : come as a surprise and you dont have to cry to us about it
> : >
> :
> : >
> : >>Want a boring reliable car ???? buy a Honda or toyota like my 90 year
> : >>old grandpa has and stop whining .......
> : >
> : >
> : > I'm sorry, this is rec.auto.jeep, perhaps you'd have better luck selling
> : > your grandpa's toyota on another newsgroup.
> : >
> :
> : OK , let me also explain the last remark since you also didnt get that 1
> :
> : It states LIKE my grandpa's car , not BUY my grandpa's car.
> :
> : Let use these groups to help each other with technical problems, not to
> : cry and bitch all the time. You bought a CAR , not a $25000 swiss
> : precision watch.
> : Cars break down.... some more then others, fix em and move on or sell
> : it and buy something else.
> :
> : AND AGAIN NO !!!! MY GRANDPA'S CAR IS NOT FOR SALE !!!!!
> :
>
>
 
AND NO !!!!!!! THE DOG IS NOT FOR SALE EITHER........

JohanB wrote:

> He doesnt look that much anymore, almost blind, his dog does most of his
> driving for him.........
>
> Johan
>
> Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>
>> How much is your Grandpa looking to get for his car?
>>
>>
>

 
JohanB wrote:

Actually, my brother-in-law just had to get new bearings in the rear of
his JGC at 100,000 miles. I thought that was unusual.

>
>
> JP wrote:
>
>> * - Are you slamming Chrysler or praising them ?
>
>
> Both
>
>>> Living under a rock the last 20 years
>
>
>
> Forgot the ????? Meaning ,it is a chrysler, not the most reliable car.
> You either buy, drive and repair them when they break down( like me ) or
> sell it and buy something else more reliable
>
>
>>
>>
>> * - Now I gotta tell you, I'm real sorry to hear that but hopefully
>> things
>> will improve soon.
>>
> I am fine, thanks for asking, howbout yourself.....
>
>>
>>> I own a jeep wrangler and I know it work every now and then
>>
>>
> should be NEED work every now and then
>
>>
>> * - Yes, its nice when our cars work occasionally. That's one of the main
>> reasons I buy one actually.
>
>
>
> <occasionally >, As long as you keep that in mind, those repairs wont
> come as a surprise and you dont have to cry to us about it
>
>>
>
>>
>>> Want a boring reliable car ???? buy a Honda or toyota like my 90 year
>>> old grandpa has and stop whining .......
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, this is rec.auto.jeep, perhaps you'd have better luck selling
>> your grandpa's toyota on another newsgroup.
>>
>
> OK , let me also explain the last remark since you also didnt get that 1
>
> It states LIKE my grandpa's car , not BUY my grandpa's car.
>
> Let use these groups to help each other with technical problems, not to
> cry and bitch all the time. You bought a CAR , not a $25000 swiss
> precision watch.
> Cars break down.... some more then others, fix em and move on or sell
> it and buy something else.
>
> AND AGAIN NO !!!! MY GRANDPA'S CAR IS NOT FOR SALE !!!!!
>
 
Thank you for pointing out the oversight!!

God Bless.

Save your hard earned cash - Don't buy Jeep


 
I hate to ask stupid questions, but what was that vehicle used for, any
towing, heavy loads? Also, how often was the final drive oil checked and
changed on that axle? At 90k miles it should have been changed at least
three times.

Unfortunately what I see with a trained eye is the result of oil
contamination and breakdown.
"Grumpy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
> expectations?
>
>
>
> More directly, did your Jeep Grand Cherokee suffer a premature rear axle
> bearing failure? Did you find your contacts with Chrysler Corporation to
be
> unproductive in getting assistance to pay for the repair?
>
>
>
> I invite you to email your story, photos and receipts to
>
>
>
> http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> All information will be turned over to a lawyer for possible class action
> status.
>
>
>
> All information will be kept strictly confidential. Stories and photos
will
> be shared to attract more owners of defective Grand Cherokees.
>
>
>
> Check updates at
>
>
>
> http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> Thank You
>
>



 
I have had 4 Cherokees (85, 87, 88 & 91) and 1 Grand Cherokee (95) all well
over
100K miles and never had a diff bearing problem. The 91 Cherokee has 180K
miles
and still runs great. These all had Dana 30 &35 axles though. Have changed
the diff
gear lube every 30K miles too.
Greg

"Jerry McG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but what was that vehicle used for, any
> towing, heavy loads? Also, how often was the final drive oil checked and
> changed on that axle? At 90k miles it should have been changed at least
> three times.
>
> Unfortunately what I see with a trained eye is the result of oil
> contamination and breakdown.
> "Grumpy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
> > expectations?
> >
> >
> >
> > More directly, did your Jeep Grand Cherokee suffer a premature rear axle
> > bearing failure? Did you find your contacts with Chrysler Corporation
to
> be
> > unproductive in getting assistance to pay for the repair?
> >
> >
> >
> > I invite you to email your story, photos and receipts to
> >
> >
> >
> > http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > All information will be turned over to a lawyer for possible class
action
> > status.
> >
> >
> >
> > All information will be kept strictly confidential. Stories and photos
> will
> > be shared to attract more owners of defective Grand Cherokees.
> >
> >
> >
> > Check updates at
> >
> >
> >
> > http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> >
>
>
>


 
Jerry McG wrote:

> I hate to ask stupid questions, but what was that vehicle used for, any
> towing, heavy loads? Also, how often was the final drive oil checked and
> changed on that axle? At 90k miles it should have been changed at least
> three times.
>
> Unfortunately what I see with a trained eye is the result of oil
> contamination and breakdown.
> "Grumpy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
My brother-in-laws's was never used for towing or has ever been
off-road. I doubt the oil was ever changed in the rear, but *most*
people never change the diff. oil and still don't experience rear end
bearing problems.
 
"Rob Munach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jerry McG wrote:
>
> > I hate to ask stupid questions, but what was that vehicle used for, any
> > towing, heavy loads? Also, how often was the final drive oil checked and
> > changed on that axle? At 90k miles it should have been changed at least
> > three times.
> >
> > Unfortunately what I see with a trained eye is the result of oil
> > contamination and breakdown.
> > "Grumpy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> My brother-in-laws's was never used for towing or has ever been
> off-road. I doubt the oil was ever changed in the rear, but *most*
> people never change the diff. oil and still don't experience rear end
> bearing problems.

So if I never change my engine oil or xmsn fluid or coolant I should not
experience

engine or xmsn problems either. Most conscientious owners change the
lubricants

per the maintenance schedule or close to it. If you don't...don't blame the

manufacturer for poor quality. I have had 5 Jeeps all well over 100K
without

a single differential problem.


 

"Kuzie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Rob Munach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Jerry McG wrote:
> >
> > > I hate to ask stupid questions, but what was that vehicle used for,
any
> > > towing, heavy loads? Also, how often was the final drive oil checked
and
> > > changed on that axle? At 90k miles it should have been changed at
least
> > > three times.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately what I see with a trained eye is the result of oil
> > > contamination and breakdown.
> > > "Grumpy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > >
> > My brother-in-laws's was never used for towing or has ever been
> > off-road. I doubt the oil was ever changed in the rear, but *most*
> > people never change the diff. oil and still don't experience rear end
> > bearing problems.
>
> So if I never change my engine oil or xmsn fluid or coolant I should not
> experience
>
> engine or xmsn problems either. Most conscientious owners change the
> lubricants
>
> per the maintenance schedule or close to it. If you don't...don't blame
the
>
> manufacturer for poor quality. I have had 5 Jeeps all well over 100K
> without
>
> a single differential problem.

That was definitly caused by lubricant breakdown & reusltant metal
contamination. My hunch is it the vehicle was overloaded or got overstressed
towing something beyong its capacity. The giveaway is the scoring on the
outer axle bearings & the axle shafts.

FWIW, the Grand Cherokee factory maintenance schedule calls for 12k mile
differential fluid changes if it's used for towing & heavy loads (i.e.,
severe duty). It also calls for an 80w-140 lubricant in the rear axle in
those cases.

That thing had to be growlng like a pack of mad dogs for a long time, too.
Would have paid to look into it earlier.


 
a whine noise in the rear axle does not MEAN a axle failure
wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whiner go home

Grumpy wrote:

> Are you the owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee that did not live up to
> expectations?
>
> More directly, did your Jeep Grand Cherokee suffer a premature rear axle
> bearing failure? Did you find your contacts with Chrysler Corporation to be
> unproductive in getting assistance to pay for the repair?
>
> I invite you to email your story, photos and receipts to
>
> http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
>
> All information will be turned over to a lawyer for possible class action
> status.
>
> All information will be kept strictly confidential. Stories and photos will
> be shared to attract more owners of defective Grand Cherokees.
>
> Check updates at
>
> http://grandcherokeedefects.blogspot.com
>
> Thank You

 
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