Got stuck again !!!!!!!

brianp38dse · Mar 16, 2015

4pin diff were fitted to rear 4.6 to cope with the torque and then others willy nilly on the run out p38 as what ever was in the bin at time

Grrrrrr · Mar 16, 2015

Why just rear though? Surely the power is 50/50 split to front and rear?

Datatek · Mar 17, 2015

Grrrrrr said:
Why just rear though? Surely the power is 50/50 split to front and rear?

Power is split 50/50, however the rear has slightly less weight on the wheels so maybe they spin more easily making the TC on the rear work harder.
For sure if my diffs fail I will be fitting a LSD as replacements

wammers · Mar 17, 2015

Grrrrrr said:
Why just rear though? Surely the power is 50/50 split to front and rear?

The rear diff takes more weight than the front one when pulling away with an heavy load.

StuckAgainSteve · Mar 17, 2015

brianp38dse said:
4pin diff were fitted to rear 4.6 to cope with the torque and then others willy nilly on the run out p38 as what ever was in the bin at time

I know about the randomisation of diffs fitted depending on what they had laying around - but I always thought Thor 4.6s were supposed to have four pin diffs front and rear due to the standard fit 4 wheel TC.

Grrrrrr · Mar 17, 2015

StuckAgainSteve said:
I know about the randomisation of diffs fitted depending on what they had laying around - but I always thought Thor 4.6s were supposed to have four pin diffs front and rear due to the standard fit 4 wheel TC.

That was my assumption. To be fair I seem to remember a thread where someone else assumed that and it turned out his Thor only had a 2 pin diff on the front. The problem with these motors is that you never know who has done "a cheap fix" on it before you get it.

jamesmartin · Mar 17, 2015

Datatek said:
Power is split 50/50, however the rear has slightly less weight on the wheels so maybe they spin more easily making the TC on the rear work harder.
For sure if my diffs fail I will be fitting a LSD as replacements

usually with 4wd system rear has greater weight when you set off or pull hard as the opposite effect of driving the wheel forward is trying to lift car front up

Grrrrrr · Mar 17, 2015

jamesmartin said:
usually with 4wd system rear has greater weight when you set off or pull hard as the opposite effect of driving the wheel forward is trying to lift car front up

That makes sense. Would the front diffs not work harder seeing as the steering is happening on that axle?

StuckAgainSteve · Mar 18, 2015

Grrrrrr said:
That makes sense. Would the front diffs not work harder seeing as the steering is happening on that axle?

Indeed, wouldn't the more planted axle be less likely to have spinning wheels scrabbling for grip putting the diff under strain?

Ianwallace · Mar 21, 2015

Hi guys I've now got a wheel brace and my wheel does not turn
I've jacked up the car
Put the hand brake on
Put it in neutral
And the wheel doesn't turn

Datatek · Mar 21, 2015

Ianwallace said:
Hi guys I've now got a wheel brace and my wheel does not turn
I've jacked up the car
Put the hand brake on
Put it in neutral
And the wheel doesn't turn

So the VCU is seized. Need to replace it ASAP before it shredds a diff.
You do realise that the wheel will only turn very slowly?

Ianwallace · Mar 21, 2015

I will try again but it moved a little about an inch or two then stopped

Datatek · Mar 21, 2015

Ianwallace said:
I will try again but it moved a little about an inch or two then stopped

That's the back lash in the drive line, when it stops just exert continuous pressure and it should continue to move very slowly.

Ianwallace · Mar 21, 2015

Ok will try again but I was using a load of pressure before

wammers · Mar 21, 2015

Ianwallace said:
Hi guys I've now got a wheel brace and my wheel does not turn
I've jacked up the car
Put the hand brake on
Put it in neutral
And the wheel doesn't turn

Sadly whilst it can cause other problems and is best changed ASAP it is not the cause of your loss of traction. Think you mentioned being stuck and the front wheels spinning. It is not possible to spin just the front wheels at least one of the rear wheels would also be spinning. That should cause TC to trip in with a lot of clicking. Wheel should turn VERY slowly with moderate pressure applied to wheel brace.

jamesmartin · Mar 21, 2015

wammers said:
Sadly whilst it can cause other problems and is best changed ASAP it is not the cause of your loss of traction. Think you mentioned being stuck and the front wheels spinning. It is not possible to spin just the front wheels at least one of the rear wheels would also be spinning. That should cause TC to trip in with a lot of clicking. Wheel should turn VERY slowly with moderate pressure applied to wheel brace.

+1 if it wont turn you need another rtc6044

Ianwallace · Mar 21, 2015

Ok to more bloody money. So what is needed to fix this please apart from applying for a new credit card[emoji33]

jamesmartin · Mar 21, 2015

an rtc6044 , it sits in the housing directly behind front prop flange, you an change it with box in situ

wammers · Mar 21, 2015

Ianwallace said:
Ok to more bloody money. So what is needed to fix this please apart from applying for a new credit card[emoji33]

Any of these take your pick. http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=rtc6044&x=28&y=10

Ianwallace · Mar 21, 2015

Ow bloody hell. Anyone want to buy a Range Rover.

What will happen if I leave it for a while
Considering I don't use it every day and only use it for the bees once every other week

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