had no excuse for not going in to work on monday and to my horror when I finished the snow had gone decided to have a run out to some higher ground and found some got to say my td4 behaved its self and the tc and stuff only kicked in when I made it when I was up on the moors I seen head lights going around in circles it was a lad from work playing in his series 3 had a game of follow the leader for a while next day he was impressed at how well the td4 had preformed some pretty steep hills with no probs