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Admittedly I don't have any experience with the transit engine - but the additional sensors and other ancillary electrics that I'd imagine are on the engine (which I thought was used to confirm with Euro4 regs) cant hold up well when wading??

And I quite liked my M51 engine :p

The new G wagen I also think has gone a little overboard - Radar guided cruise control?!
 
Matticus said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLHOK9ic0Rc&app=desktop

This is probably part of the reason RR owners don't go offroad. The only thing it appears to have going for it is, judging by the video at 0:27, its probably one of the most watertight cars LR ever made :hysterically_laughi

The new RR and RRS are simply a world away from what the LR brand used to signify. a 80k+ car with >500bhp that does 0-60 in 5.3 seconds is frankly unnecessary

As all have said, too much electrickery
too much focus on a being a road car for the elite
too much money
in summary its just too much. JLR need to take a step back and consider that Jaguar and Land Rover don't have to have the same focus and target market - in order to cover a broader audience both brands should stick to what they are (were) good at.
But again as others have said it won't and can't happen thanks to EU regs

Personally, I do like the L405, and if I had the money, yes, I would get one, but it would never see mud, I wouldn't think of it as a LR, and it'd have a defender sat next to it on the drive which would actually be used as a land rover, and it wouldn't be a new one with that transit engine.

I think its a waste of time and money for JLR to try making a car into something its not, each model has its purpose. Yes the L405 may be fairly capable offroad but I think time and money should be spent on making it more reliable before trying to make it an 'off-roader'. No-one wants an unreliable off-roader that they can't even repair themselves
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Which target market do you think the Range Rover should be aimed at? What should it bee good at?
 
The Mad Hat Man said:
for what?

storing chickens?
a manned exploration of the moon?

if yu are genuinely wanting help, then you have to put a lot of effort into how your questions are put. :rolleyes:
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OK. Mercedes are importing the updated "G Class" model into the UK as a direct competitor to the Range Rover.

In your opinion, and this is about your preferences, which vehicle would you choose for off-road driving and why?
 
G wagon over the range rover for off road. Its a drivers car with selectable diff lockers in the Transfer box and both axles.
But I would take a defender over both if it was a option.
 
Is the Jlr brand not doing better than ever now? Cant think of one of their motors I wouldnt have. And they seem to have a good market share and branding. The overfinch and khan stuff also adds exclusivity. There is a Alpina beemer dealer near me and I still see more fettled RR's than Bavarians. So im not sure what mr Bearmach is complaining about.
 
G wagon or current RR? G Wagon for me:

G Wagon is a classic shape, unique in design

Strong residuals

Mechanically tried and tested with, in my humble opinion a better diff locking options than a Defender

Built by Germans

Whereas the current regime of producing a new shiny and ever more complicated Range Rovers I think erodes the brand. Range Rovers have always been hit hard with poor residual values in the UK, mainly due to a large percentage of them falling out of dealer servicing and falling in to the "wrong hands" resulting in matt paint jobs, oversized wheels with nearly bald tires, gold door handles etc, the Rolls Royce Shadow suffered the same fate in the 1980's of residing outside "specialist video" shops, amusement arcades and scrap yards. I believe the Germans have it right, design the thing right in the first place and let the vehicle evolve in a conservative understated way.
If you look at Jeep, yeah sure, they update and change the every day tat ie, Grand Cherokee, Commander etc, but they still have the Wrangler, basic, utility, and easy to work on and improve, it seem that the accountants and the marketers of the emerging markets are firmly leading the way forward and the core of what is Land Rover has been forgotten or the dynamic of just who the customers of Land Rover are has changed, and it's us that are resisting change, personally I think it's a bit of both, but you have to admit the RR classic had more nobility because of it's 24 year production run.

SAVE THE DEFENDER!!!!!!!!!!

Dislaimer: I am in no way prejudiced of owners of scrappys owing a Rangie heh
 
Matticus said:
Admittedly I don't have any experience with the transit engine - but the additional sensors and other ancillary electrics that I'd imagine are on the engine (which I thought was used to confirm with Euro4 regs) cant hold up well when wading??

And I quite liked my M51 engine :p

The new G wagen I also think has gone a little overboard - Radar guided cruise control?!
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Ive had a a non modded 2.2 through water over the bonnet and it was ok.
Matticus said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLHOK9ic0Rc&app=desktop

This is probably part of the reason RR owners don't go offroad. The only thing it appears to have going for it is, judging by the video at 0:27, its probably one of the most watertight cars LR ever made :hysterically_laughi

The new RR and RRS are simply a world away from what the LR brand used to signify. a 80k+ car with >500bhp that does 0-60 in 5.3 seconds is frankly unnecessary

As all have said, too much electrickery
too much focus on a being a road car for the elite
too much money
in summary its just too much. JLR need to take a step back and consider that Jaguar and Land Rover don't have to have the same focus and target market - in order to cover a broader audience both brands should stick to what they are (were) good at.
But again as others have said it won't and can't happen thanks to EU regs

Personally, I do like the L405, and if I had the money, yes, I would get one, but it would never see mud, I wouldn't think of it as a LR, and it'd have a defender sat next to it on the drive which would actually be used as a land rover, and it wouldn't be a new one with that transit engine.

I think its a waste of time and money for JLR to try making a car into something its not, each model has its purpose. Yes the L405 may be fairly capable offroad but I think time and money should be spent on making it more reliable before trying to make it an 'off-roader'. No-one wants an unreliable off-roader that they can't even repair themselves
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Why would you recover off the pillar?
 
Am i the perfect target audience for Landrover?

age 21
Vehicles used for

Mountain biking in remote areas
light greenlaning
TOWING boats/work equipment
work duties as a van
load the roof up with longer loads
simpler engineering so i can repair it myself
wash it down after work and go out socializing with mates

ANSWER: NO not for a brand new vehicle as previously stated prices start at £23,000

Summary: Landrover need to make a vehicle which is cheap, easy to repair, and will fit into any scene. A good value for money SUV

!!Landrover website says it all premium 4x4 vehicles and luxury suv's!!
 
Range rovers etc are not sold as vehicles for people to go "off Road" , they are sold as a executive luxury vehicle with all wheel drive , like a bigger version of a subaru .
They trade on the reputation/nostalgia of the original landrover as THE off road vehicle.
The range rover brand has been moved gradually further a nd further Up market , the original was a slightly posh vehicle that could be justified by farmers "on the business" as it could do as much as the landrover + a bit more . It had plastic seats , and rubber mats , and a better ride and more power . I dont honestly think they ever expected it to take off like it did. Because it did , it showed them how to sell vehicles for a lot more profit than they were making from landrovers. there's more I could say but times pressing HTSH
 
New Landrover Freelander starts @ £27,765

New Suzuki Grand vitara starts @ £15,995
New Nissan X-trail starts @ £22,995
New Mitsubishi outlander starts @ £23,799
New Honda cr-v starts @ £22,000


So Landrover why the big price tag for a british brand to british consumers??? Trying to sell vehicles on the brand name maybe


p.s you can use any of my comments in your studies i wont charge
 
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rossymtb said:
Am i the perfect target audience for Landrover?

age 21
Vehicles used for

Mountain biking in remote areas
light greenlaning
TOWING boats/work equipment
work duties as a van
load the roof up with longer loads
simpler engineering so i can repair it myself
wash it down after work and go out socializing with mates

ANSWER: NO not for a brand new vehicle as previously stated prices start at £23,000
Summary: Landrover need to make a vehicle which is cheap, easy to repair, and will fit into any scene. A good value for money SUV

!!Landrover website says it all premium 4x4 vehicles and luxury suv's!!
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India..
long way from home but a market that sells Range rovers and Landrovers.

from your long list of requirements, the Indian sub continent also had a simular requirement for transport,
so the team in charge id design and road usage looked up just what the masses really needed...
Vespas made under licence - I kid you not !!
2 wheelers, 3 wheelers even 4 wheelers
 
rossymtb said:
New Landrover Freelander starts @ £27,765

New Suzuki Grand vitara starts @ £15,995
New Nissan X-trail starts @ £22,995
New Mitsubishi outlander starts @ £23,799
New Honda cr-v starts @ £22,000


So Landrover why the big price tag for a british brand to british consumers??? Trying to sell vehicles on the brand name maybe


p.s you can use any of my comments in your studies i wont charge
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We in the UK are not the target market anymore, China, India, Russia, South America and the States are the future for LR, you can see that in the "fluffy marketing" and shiny trinkets which the colonies demand.
 
ImperialCollegeRRproject said:
Which target market do you think the Range Rover should be aimed at? What should it bee good at?
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In terms of what the RR has been for the past 20 years I see it as a comfortable and luxurious car for 40-65 age range. Partly because cost is a prohibiting factor for anyone outside that range. It should be good at wafting around in comfort and style, with the ability to perform reasonably well in adverse conditions. It will never be an out and out off-roader because that would be a conflict of interests. Towing I think is important as they are often used for towing horse boxes etc - this is the sort of 'off-road' environment where they are used. Relatively flat fields. Not so much rutty woodland with deep standing water in places.

I see it as an executive car not a 4x4, as someone mentioned before I doubt many people would notice if it was 2wd.

I think it does what it does well as it is at the moment, just needs to have a certain level of reliability about it. Invisible bonnet etc are nice idea's and could be useful but are they actually likely to get used on a Rangie? Probably not. The fundamental design of the range rover doesn't, in my opinion, lend itself to harsh conditions (perhaps if I took one off road properly I'd have a different view, but if I did I'd be too worried about scratching it) and in order to make it a good offroader it would probably need so much changing it would be an entirely different car.
 
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