Discovery engine failure

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I thought cars had to be fit for purpose and had a life expectancy? You expect a serviced and maintained vehicle to last over 40,000 miles and 6 years. Warranties and guarantees don't come into it
 
lynall said:
Its been an issue on the v6 engines since 2004, so is quite common knowledge in the landrover world, more of a financial issue on the 3.0 as any 2.7 still running is likely a goodun, as I understand it the issue is still there on the D5 with the 3.0 v6 engine.
So a d3 wit a blown engine is most likely a scrapper due to age/mileage and low value there wont be much money tied up in the car, but an early d4 is in a pickle as another engine is expensive and cars value is low, add in the fact its an arse to change engine with body on and you can see why labour is so expensive.
But a late d4 is defo worth replacing as their value is hight at present.
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If this is the case then surely there is a chance of a Class Action against LR on these engines?
If this was a Rolls Royce engine on a big jet, the whole lot would be grounded until it was sorted out, (see recent problem with Boeing 737 max. Altho granted this wasn't the engine.)
 
Stanleysteamer said:
If this is the case then surely there is a chance of a Class Action against LR on these engines?
If this was a Rolls Royce engine on a big jet, the whole lot would be grounded until it was sorted out, (see recent problem with Boeing 737 max. Altho granted this wasn't the engine.)
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Going by what I've read on the various forums and seen in videos over the years, those engines have been letting go all over the place - from the Russia to South Africa. And it's mostly always the same scenario where the owners are more concerned about getting the vehicle back on the road than anything else. To that end, you can say JLR have so far been lucky not having had to deal with any legal blowback, or indeed owning up to the fact that it is an issue...... if only it had been offered in the US of A as well:rolleyes:
 
Stanleysteamer said:
If this is the case then surely there is a chance of a Class Action against LR on these engines?
If this was a Rolls Royce engine on a big jet, the whole lot would be grounded until it was sorted out, (see recent problem with Boeing 737 max. Altho granted this wasn't the engine.)
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Its been talked about to death before, I am sure way smarter people than me have looked into it, and got nowhere.

Dont forget pretty much every LR diesel engine has had issues
2.0 litre diesel leaky liner seals, cracked heads
2.25 litre diesel timing chain
2.5 diesel cracked hotspot dropping into cylinders
2.5td cracked everything!
200tdi crankshaft failure, and camshaft shells moving
300tdi cambelts and weak cyl heads
10p oil pump bolt, cyl heads
15p cyl heads
2.7 v6 crankshaft/shells
3.0 v6 crankshaft failure
 
lynall said:
Its been talked about to death before, I am sure way smarter people than me have looked into it, and got nowhere.

Dont forget pretty much every LR diesel engine has had issues
2.0 litre diesel leaky liner seals, cracked heads
2.25 litre diesel timing chain
2.5 diesel cracked hotspot dropping into cylinders
2.5td cracked everything!
200tdi crankshaft failure, and camshaft shells moving
300tdi cambelts and weak cyl heads
10p oil pump bolt, cyl heads
15p cyl heads
2.7 v6 crankshaft/shells
3.0 v6 crankshaft failure
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Think even the jag 4.4 V8 also had an issue, timing chain tensioner I believe, plus know the 3.6 blows turbos and that’s an engine out job, will be interesting to see over time what faults come up regarding the new defender

seeing a list like that I think proves we are definitely nuts , lol,
 
gstuart said:
Think even the jag 4.4 V8 also had an issue, timing chain tensioner I believe, plus know the 3.6 blows turbos and that’s an engine out job, will be interesting to see over time what faults come up regarding the new defender

seeing a list like that I think proves we are definitely nuts , lol,
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I forgot about the range rover diesels, thats a whole extra section!
As for the petrols!
 
lynall said:
Its been talked about to death before, I am sure way smarter people than me have looked into it, and got nowhere.

Dont forget pretty much every LR diesel engine has had issues
2.0 litre diesel leaky liner seals, cracked heads
2.25 litre diesel timing chain
2.5 diesel cracked hotspot dropping into cylinders
2.5td cracked everything!
200tdi crankshaft failure, and camshaft shells moving
300tdi cambelts and weak cyl heads
10p oil pump bolt, cyl heads
15p cyl heads
2.7 v6 crankshaft/shells
3.0 v6 crankshaft failure
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They are cr@p aren't they! Make us wonder why we bother!
Like women, if you find a good one they are brilliant but you have to go through lots of dodgy ones to find one, or as the wimmins would say, you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find your prince!


(Did I get away with that?
Hope so):eek::eek::eek:
 
Stanleysteamer said:
If this is the case then surely there is a chance of a Class Action against LR on these engines?
If this was a Rolls Royce engine on a big jet, the whole lot would be grounded until it was sorted out, (see recent problem with Boeing 737 max. Altho granted this wasn't the engine.)
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Ford should be doing something, it is their fault.

Ford owned LR at the time so used a Ford lump.

Did the D3 start designwork before late 2001?

I cannot find anything to suggest it started pre Ford.

They should be supplying free replacement engines to Land Rover.
 
My Old Landy said:
Tell me more! I have a discovery 200tdi in my 90 replacing the 19J that did eat itself :D I didn't know about this issue!
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For me the 200tdi is a legend in its own right!
As far as issues go, from 92 till now, the only major issue was a blown head gasket at cylinder number 4 that had it chuffing like a steam train....replaced that on a weekend and it's been golden since.
Went past 300K before the odometer's internals packed up and stopped counting.....

SWBO now gets it that the old girl was here before she came along, and has since stopped asking when I'll get rid of it.
 
Just seen some details regarding the discovery 4 , 5 x litre V8 , that suffers with
  • Failing temperature sensor(s)
  • Cracked plastic tubes in the cooling system - labour-intensive repair...
  • Cracked plastic thermostat housing
  • Failing water pump
  • Timing chain snapping

  • At the end of the day don’t think u can beat a Japanese engine
 
Assume everyone has seen this where a guy had a full report done on his failed TDV6;

https://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/23856/D4_russian_doc.pdf

have heard the issues arise with bad starting by cranking it over for long periods of time

at the end of the day if I had the money would either buy a petrol 4.4 V8 or the 5 x litre V8 , then have all the tensioners, chains, guides replaced , hopefully it would then be a reliable engine
 
gstuart said:
Assume everyone has seen this where a guy had a full report done on his failed TDV6;

https://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/23856/D4_russian_doc.pdf

have heard the issues arise with bad starting by cranking it over for long periods of time

at the end of the day if I had the money would either buy a petrol 4.4 V8 or the 5 x litre V8 , then have all the tensioners, chains, guides replaced , hopefully it would then be a reliable engine
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The LR3 and 4 are by no doubt quite handsome and capable vehicles worth having, especially if you take a well appointed late model LR4. So if you think of an engine as just hardware that the rest of the vehicle and it's electronics needs to know is there and running, it shouldn't necessarily be too difficult to swap the engine with something bulletproof like the 4M41 and have yourself a near-perfect vehicle that you can enjoy for years. In my mind, sorting the electronics is the easy part and I don't believe the fabrication involved in getting the replacement to sit in the engine bay and adapt it to the transmission would be too difficult.

In my line of work we do what we term "repowers", where engines from Deutz and Cummins are swapped out with more modern, powerful and efficient Mercedes OM900 series crate engines in off-highway trucks. We install a programmable module called an ADM that handles the inputs and outputs of the CAN communication between engine and the rest of the vehicle's systems. After work is complete, turn the key and all systems go live - even engine hour meter continues counting from the last second the previous engines run.
 
As a side note, saw this regarding a smallm
ifloochies said:
The LR3 and 4 are by no doubt quite handsome and capable vehicles worth having, especially if you take a well appointed late model LR4. So if you think of an engine as just hardware that the rest of the vehicle and it's electronics needs to know is there and running, it shouldn't necessarily be too difficult to swap the engine with something bulletproof like the 4M41 and have yourself a near-perfect vehicle that you can enjoy for years. In my mind, sorting the electronics is the easy part and I don't believe the fabrication involved in getting the replacement to sit in the engine bay and adapt it to the transmission would be too difficult.

In my line of work we do what we term "repowers", where engines from Deutz and Cummins are swapped out with more modern, powerful and efficient Mercedes OM900 series crate engines in off-highway trucks. We install a programmable module called an ADM that handles the inputs and outputs of the CAN communication between engine and the rest of the vehicle's systems. After work is complete, turn the key and all systems go live - even engine hour meter continues counting from the last second the previous engines run.
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many thks, is that the Mitsubishi engine plse

funny enough watched a video the other day where they swapped a BMW engine into a defender 90 , they had a module like u mention which I assume it’s so the engine can talk with the LR system, would be interesting to see what other engines could be fitted to a D3

Must admit am very impressed with the D3 , particularly the ride quality , suspension errors etc indeed as others have said it’s not that complicated , great shame where some decide to remove it and fit coils in its place

personally my next landy I think will have to be a V8 , more than likely the 4.4 jag in the D3, the D4 5.0 are around £30k which is well out of my price range

that sounds extremely interesting in what u do, talking of electronics have seen many trying to fit the later instrument panels in the discovery 3 , think they call them TFT screens

mine a base model and haven’t got a centre screen and keep thinking what I would like to fit, maybe a Tom Tom 7 inch screen or something else

thks again for the very interesting post
 
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