Disco Alloys on a 90
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Hiya mate, the stud pattern is the same. But they don't fit over the drums- well saying that if you google enough, I found people saying they made them fit by sanding/ grinding small amounts off either drum or wheel!! I didn't fancy this much personally!
Also a lot of people have fitted 30mm spacers- they then defiantly fit.
A lot of people don't like the spacers because they put a lot of extra pressure and strain on things like wheel bearings! I've also heard stories of them coming loose!
I've been searching about this a lot because I was wondering if I could fit 5mm or 10mm or 15mm spacers. But I can't find a definite answer!
Let me know how ya get on mate.
Ps. If theyre genuine freestyle alloys then the above is true, but a company made alloys which are very similar but are called firestyle- these do fit over the drums.
Also a lot of people have fitted 30mm spacers- they then defiantly fit.
A lot of people don't like the spacers because they put a lot of extra pressure and strain on things like wheel bearings! I've also heard stories of them coming loose!
I've been searching about this a lot because I was wondering if I could fit 5mm or 10mm or 15mm spacers. But I can't find a definite answer!
Let me know how ya get on mate.
Ps. If theyre genuine freestyle alloys then the above is true, but a company made alloys which are very similar but are called firestyle- these do fit over the drums.
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Or get a disco axle. have rear discs and disco alloys no problems at all.
Now you're just making work for me. I've got enough on putting my Series 3 back together
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Tis Bollix!
95% of the time the alloys fit the rear axle the aloys on the front do not! this is because of the deep type drive members on the rear the brake drum or the thickness of the brake drum allows the alloy to sit 5 ot 6 mm out on the hub this JUST clearing the drive member. The front drive member hub on the other hand sticks out 10-12 mm more than the hub face because the hub is different. Although early RRC have the same stubs and hubs they run Domed stub shafts to allow fitment of alloys. It is the heads of the drive member bolts that fowl the alloy. The fact that the rear has drums means that the front are the older type deep type drive members and thsus 90's 110's with drum brakes will not fit. Its not that the alloys do not fit the drums because most of them fit fine on the drums its because the ones with drums have the older type frony.
How do I know. Been there done that got the machined drive members countersunk bolts etc. Not worth it imo but you can just buy some spacers and run longer studs on the front some guys I knew run 2 old brake drums machined down and welded together per side with longer studs it works but not nice.
Others have wedged them on the front and I'll be honest its really close but does not sit fully back against the hub which is not going to work.
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95% of the time the alloys fit the rear axle the aloys on the front do not! this is because of the deep type drive members on the rear the brake drum or the thickness of the brake drum allows the alloy to sit 5 ot 6 mm out on the hub this JUST clearing the drive member. The front drive member hub on the other hand sticks out 10-12 mm more than the hub face because the hub is different. Although early RRC have the same stubs and hubs they run Domed stub shafts to allow fitment of alloys. It is the heads of the drive member bolts that fowl the alloy. The fact that the rear has drums means that the front are the older type deep type drive members and thsus 90's 110's with drum brakes will not fit. Its not that the alloys do not fit the drums because most of them fit fine on the drums its because the ones with drums have the older type frony.
How do I know. Been there done that got the machined drive members countersunk bolts etc. Not worth it imo but you can just buy some spacers and run longer studs on the front some guys I knew run 2 old brake drums machined down and welded together per side with longer studs it works but not nice.
Others have wedged them on the front and I'll be honest its really close but does not sit fully back against the hub which is not going to work.
Jai
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You can also grind the inner scallops out of the alloys but this is not a cleaver idea for insurance purposes ect but it would work.
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I ava 1985 110 with the original brakes n axles, freestyle and RRC alloys fit on the rear drum but not on the front, just as jai says.
Interestingly also av a light weight with coiler chassis and RRC axles (disc front n rear, domed hubs). The alloys don't fit properly on there either, they are VERY tight and if you wind the wheel nuts up tight enough they do go on and butt up to the flange but then are impossible to get off (except bashing with a sledgehammer or the like
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Not sure why this is, but i did grind a small amount of metal from the inside of the rims so taht they can go on and off normally. Not ideal i know but the amount was so small it should not affect the strength of the rim too much.
Interestingly also av a light weight with coiler chassis and RRC axles (disc front n rear, domed hubs). The alloys don't fit properly on there either, they are VERY tight and if you wind the wheel nuts up tight enough they do go on and butt up to the flange but then are impossible to get off (except bashing with a sledgehammer or the like
).Not sure why this is, but i did grind a small amount of metal from the inside of the rims so taht they can go on and off normally. Not ideal i know but the amount was so small it should not affect the strength of the rim too much.
Hi jai, right, now I am confused because all the searching I've done says it's the rear that's the problem!! So I've been searching eBay and the likes for a disco rear axle. But what your saying is I need the front- is that right mate? Or do I need both? Hahaha
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Rear usually fits no problem the front is the issue
Cheers mate. So to confirm- I need to buy two ( front and rear) disco 1 axles?
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Chris,
Do you have any alloys or have access to any to try?? the back axle 99% fits no problem.
Some aftermarket alloys do not fit the back or the front.
The front axle is the issue the hub centre stick out too far and stops the alloy going back against the hub face.
You will need either different front axle or axle ends to Fit LR alloys.
Do you have any alloys or have access to any to try?? the back axle 99% fits no problem.
Some aftermarket alloys do not fit the back or the front.
The front axle is the issue the hub centre stick out too far and stops the alloy going back against the hub face.
You will need either different front axle or axle ends to Fit LR alloys.
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Remember that if you change the axle you will need the later type radius arms as they are wider slightly
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they're the same on my 200 d1 axles sat waiting to be fitted but mates 300 d1 axles have wider fitting for radius arms so think maybe later ones that are different.
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all discos have wide radius arms ,its defender that change at 300tdi
Thanks jai, yes, I ended up winning two sets on eBay- so now have 9 wheels ( 4 with tyres, 5 without) hahaha. I never tried fitting them because so many people said they wouldnt fit. I'll have a go and see if rear fit tomoz.
When you say axle ends, where do I buy these from?
Thanks again mate- last time I asked about this all I got was abuse hahaha bit mad really cos it is quite confusing when you do a search, cos most people say rear is prob haha.
When you say axle ends, where do I buy these from?
Thanks again mate- last time I asked about this all I got was abuse hahaha bit mad really cos it is quite confusing when you do a search, cos most people say rear is prob haha.
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my 90's were the same when we checked the other week so possibly she's had rrc axles and arms before i got her then
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Tis alot of bollix about for hearsay. the reason you cant fit is because the middle of the front hub sticks out too far fowling the alloy. Because the vehicle has drum brakes means (unless its a mix and match) that the front is the older deep type drive flange and the alloys do not fit the front. The drum brake is only the indication of the front hubs not the actual problem.
I machined up a new drive member took it dow silly ammounts (really weak and fitted it and RRC alloys) and it worked but I feared too weak then it twanged and I assumed it was the weak drive member but it was an inner shaft so these drive members are super strong as even when weakened makes me laugh when they fit HD drive flanges. Only advantage I can see is the sealed end cap which I like!.
Shame really as I binned the flange and bolts yesterday as I just fitted FWH so no chance of any allloys now!
I machined up a new drive member took it dow silly ammounts (really weak and fitted it and RRC alloys) and it worked but I feared too weak then it twanged and I assumed it was the weak drive member but it was an inner shaft so these drive members are super strong as even when weakened makes me laugh when they fit HD drive flanges. Only advantage I can see is the sealed end cap which I like!.
Shame really as I binned the flange and bolts yesterday as I just fitted FWH so no chance of any allloys now!
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Ends you need to basically get a disco axle and undo the ends 7 bihex bolts swap them over onto your axle. Buying the new parts will work out serious money. But remember also that if you plan on upgrading shafts etc the cv's you have now are the strongest Rover ever made dispite the innershafts only being 10 spline. So spacers and longer studs may well be better for you but swings and roundabouts what you want really.
If you were closer I would happily swap your ends out for disco ends Always after early 90 ends) but your a bit too far away!
If you were closer I would happily swap your ends out for disco ends Always after early 90 ends) but your a bit too far away!
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I have several old brake drums here I will ask my old man to turn them down on his lathe so I can find out exactly how much you need to space the wheel off.
Just had a thought. If you try the front and its really really close. Try ordering some Paddocks drive member bolts the type that have 13mm heads not the 17mm heads that should give you a mm or so more clearance my alloys fitted with no drivemember bolts in so its oh so very close.
Just had a thought. If you try the front and its really really close. Try ordering some Paddocks drive member bolts the type that have 13mm heads not the 17mm heads that should give you a mm or so more clearance my alloys fitted with no drivemember bolts in so its oh so very close.
