took it to the land rover people in preston yesterday wammers they did a check for misfieres lamba etc on t4 and reset the adaptive values was great but looks like the maf is up the pole done about 40 miles since then so liooks like its thrown the fault back looks like going to have to bite the bullet and buy one ps might have got the 172 and 174 nos wrong altzimers setting in couldnt remember them but the 1172 and 1175 were deffo right so maf looks like the prob u have been a great help again and the other guys will keep u posted