Channel 4 news piece on off-roading

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Ian Rawlings

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Has anyone seen today's channel 4 news piece on off-roading? At the
end of the programme there was a piece on how off-roading is turning
"great swathes" of the Yorkshire Dales into "quagmires" and how the
land won't ever recover etc etc, and included bits about how it's
ruining one farmer's livelihood because the ruts made by the
off-roaders are so deep he can't get his tractor through them... They
tried to get some shots of the immense amounts of damage caused but
had to satisfy themselves with shots of shallow puddles I could drive
my Audi through. They drove through it in a freelander.

Also waffle about how the government has tried to ban off-roading but
due to the human rights act it can't do it immediately and can't apply
the legislation retrospectively. In reality the legislation the
government has put in is to limit the number of new byway claims that
come in, it's got nothing to do with banning off-roading, which is why
you can't apply it retrospectively. A very misleading news story
indeed.

I'll be checking up with the local GLASS reps on this one as well as
bashing off a letter of complaint.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:36:50 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>A very misleading news story indeed.

Such is popularist media I guess...

>I'll be checking up with the local GLASS reps on this one as well as
>bashing off a letter of complaint.

Good show, by the way, did you record it Ian? (I missed it).

I'll happily put it along with the other stuff to do with GLASS and
YDNP at:

http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/

If you can code it or let me have a VHS tape.

 
Sounds like bollox to me, yon farmer wants sommat better than his present
tractor if things are getting that bad, damn it modern tractors are pretty
goo off road almost as good as 2CV :)

You know the most damage that ever was done to roads was back in the days of
the horse and cart, ask Blind Jack of Knareborough if you doubt me (mind you
you'll ave to be good with a oija board to do that)


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Has anyone seen today's channel 4 news piece on off-roading? At the
> end of the programme there was a piece on how off-roading is turning
> "great swathes" of the Yorkshire Dales into "quagmires" and how the
> land won't ever recover etc etc, and included bits about how it's
> ruining one farmer's livelihood because the ruts made by the
> off-roaders are so deep he can't get his tractor through them... They
> tried to get some shots of the immense amounts of damage caused but
> had to satisfy themselves with shots of shallow puddles I could drive
> my Audi through. They drove through it in a freelander.
>
> Also waffle about how the government has tried to ban off-roading but
> due to the human rights act it can't do it immediately and can't apply
> the legislation retrospectively. In reality the legislation the
> government has put in is to limit the number of new byway claims that
> come in, it's got nothing to do with banning off-roading, which is why
> you can't apply it retrospectively. A very misleading news story
> indeed.
>
> I'll be checking up with the local GLASS reps on this one as well as
> bashing off a letter of complaint.
>
> --
> For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert


 
Apart from bugger all else, how you gonna farm if you can't go off road ?
who the f*ck were landies designed for in the first place ????

I have had my belly full of Chanell four today already for reasons
unconected to my favorite transport, they are arseholes big time.

Chanel number four the sweet smell of Bull****.

--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"


"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Has anyone seen today's channel 4 news piece on off-roading? At the
> end of the programme there was a piece on how off-roading is turning
> "great swathes" of the Yorkshire Dales into "quagmires" and how the
> land won't ever recover etc etc, and included bits about how it's
> ruining one farmer's livelihood because the ruts made by the
> off-roaders are so deep he can't get his tractor through them... They
> tried to get some shots of the immense amounts of damage caused but
> had to satisfy themselves with shots of shallow puddles I could drive
> my Audi through. They drove through it in a freelander.
>
> Also waffle about how the government has tried to ban off-roading but
> due to the human rights act it can't do it immediately and can't apply
> the legislation retrospectively. In reality the legislation the
> government has put in is to limit the number of new byway claims that
> come in, it's got nothing to do with banning off-roading, which is why
> you can't apply it retrospectively. A very misleading news story
> indeed.
>
> I'll be checking up with the local GLASS reps on this one as well as
> bashing off a letter of complaint.
>
> --
> For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert


 
so Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like...
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:46:55 +0100, Ian Rawlings
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=588
>
> Super, thanks, now archived at:
>
> http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/C4-News-2005-08-23-offroad.wmv

So what - Norman Normal on a trail bike riding like a grandad and a couple
of dry ruts of the kind you see every day in the countryside. Where were
the hairy-arsed bikers and mad tattooed 4x4 psychopaths tearing up the
environment? I watched it with the sound off (favourite music on in the
next room) and it could have been an advert for the quiet pleasures of trail
riding.

The presenter was quite fit, though.


--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 

"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Has anyone seen today's channel 4 news piece on off-roading? At the
> end of the programme there was a piece on how off-roading is turning
> "great swathes" of the Yorkshire Dales into "quagmires" and how the
> land won't ever recover etc etc, and included bits about how it's
> ruining one farmer's livelihood because the ruts made by the
> off-roaders are so deep he can't get his tractor through them... They
> tried to get some shots of the immense amounts of damage caused but
> had to satisfy themselves with shots of shallow puddles I could drive
> my Audi through. They drove through it in a freelander.
>
> Also waffle about how the government has tried to ban off-roading but
> due to the human rights act it can't do it immediately and can't apply
> the legislation retrospectively. In reality the legislation the
> government has put in is to limit the number of new byway claims that
> come in, it's got nothing to do with banning off-roading, which is why
> you can't apply it retrospectively. A very misleading news story
> indeed.
>
> I'll be checking up with the local GLASS reps on this one as well as
> bashing off a letter of complaint.
>
> --
What do you expect from a part of our great county who have tried (or have)
stopped city dwellers to buy houses in the dales.
They charge us over the odds to visit attractions and then want us to go
home without going anywhere they can't charge.
I wonder how they would feel if we banned all country folk from buying
houses in Leeds etc.Do we complain when they sh*t up all the roads with
their tractors.If i Covered the road outside my house with cow dung the
council would fine me and make me clean it up.
Its not their countryside its our countryside ..

Feel better now!

Adrian Ford


 
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:27:43 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The presenter was quite fit, though.

An observation I may return to at some point...
(b'grit, slobber on the keyboard agin...)

 
so Adrian Ford was, like...
> "Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Has anyone seen today's channel 4 news piece on off-roading? At the
>> end of the programme there was a piece on how off-roading is turning
>> "great swathes" of the Yorkshire Dales into "quagmires" and how the
>> land won't ever recover etc etc, and included bits about how it's
>> ruining one farmer's livelihood because the ruts made by the
>> off-roaders are so deep he can't get his tractor through them.
>> --
> What do you expect from a part of our great county who have tried (or
> have) stopped city dwellers to buy houses in the dales.
> They charge us over the odds to visit attractions and then want us to
> go home without going anywhere they can't charge.
> I wonder how they would feel if we banned all country folk from buying
> houses in Leeds etc.Do we complain when they sh*t up all the roads
> with their tractors.If i Covered the road outside my house with cow
> dung the council would fine me and make me clean it up.
> Its not their countryside its our countryside .

> Feel better now!

Actually I read this report the opposite way. Not as the Dales people
wanting to get rid of the nasty city-dwellers, but as a city-dweller
(female, ethnically-different journalist) going out to the countryside,
finding the odd rut in a lane and getting her knickers in a twist over
"damage" to what would otherwise be a pristine Beatrix Potter landscape.
Most farmers I know wouldn't worry about a few ruts, unless they were enough
to stop them going about their work - it's the city dwellers who see a muddy
track and assume it's someone's "fault".

Yes, it's *our* countryside, but take it as it is, not as some idealised
playground for the lefties in Hackney who want to get back to "real living"
and roses around the door, as long as it isn't too smelly and we can still
drive the MachoHardWarrior Sport GSX up to the door without getting it
dirty. Oh, and can you stop that cockerel crowing so early - we had a
dreadful drive down last night, and a bit too much of that rather nice
Merlot.

MY rant over!

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
On 2005-08-23, Richard Brookman <[email protected]> wrote:

> So what - Norman Normal on a trail bike riding like a grandad and a
> couple of dry ruts of the kind you see every day in the countryside.
> Where were the hairy-arsed bikers and mad tattooed 4x4 psychopaths
> tearing up the environment?

In the GLASS magazine there was a story about a local rag that
published pictures of a farmer standing in foot-deep ruts moaning
about landrovers, and pictures of a local pay 'n' play site presented
as the damage caused to green lanes in the countryside... There's a
lot of it about. The local GLASS reps complained bitterly and finally
got a letter published, with all the bits about the fake pictures
edited out of course.

More worrying is the three or four incidents of lane sabotage in the
last 6 months that have been reported to them and the police, with
metal spikes and planks with nails being left in puddles and mounds of
earth placed at the sides of the track to force people to go through
the puddles where the traps are. Add to that the barbed wire strung
at chest height across byways and it adds up to a pretty dismal
picture. Pictures to illustrate the articles were supplied by the
police who are investigating.

Rampant discrimination in our "just and tolerant" society, who'd have
thought it eh! Freedom of speech for religious loonies but not
harmless off-roaders. There are some bad eggs of course, but a tiny
minority. The most trouble I have when laning is trying to find the
lane through the thick grass that's grown on it through lack of use!

Watch the video again with sound on, the stuff they say is very
annoying.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
And I can well remember the country side as it was thirty and forty years
ago, ruts and all.

I don't know what this mythic unspoilt past they are pining for is. Lorrys
have to get produce from farms, all sorts of heavy machinery has to be moved
about,

Who does the most damage to the countryside, I will tell you Rambers.


--
þT

L'autisme c'est moi

"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and
expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not
believe in the laws of mathematics"


"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Actually I read this report the opposite way. Not as the Dales people
> wanting to get rid of the nasty city-dwellers, but as a city-dweller
> (female, ethnically-different journalist) going out to the countryside,
> finding the odd rut in a lane and getting her knickers in a twist over
> "damage" to what would otherwise be a pristine Beatrix Potter landscape.
> Most farmers I know wouldn't worry about a few ruts, unless they were
enough
> to stop them going about their work - it's the city dwellers who see a
muddy
> track and assume it's someone's "fault".
>
> Yes, it's *our* countryside, but take it as it is, not as some idealised
> playground for the lefties in Hackney who want to get back to "real
living"
> and roses around the door, as long as it isn't too smelly and we can still
> drive the MachoHardWarrior Sport GSX up to the door without getting it
> dirty. Oh, and can you stop that cockerel crowing so early - we had a
> dreadful drive down last night, and a bit too much of that rather nice
> Merlot.
>
> MY rant over!
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
> Disco 300 Tdi auto
> S2a 88" SW
> Tiggrr (V8 trialler)
>
>


 
> Actually I read this report the opposite way. Not as the Dales people
> wanting to get rid of the nasty city-dwellers, but as a city-dweller
> (female, ethnically-different journalist) going out to the countryside,
> finding the odd rut in a lane and getting her knickers in a twist over
> "damage" to what would otherwise be a pristine Beatrix Potter landscape.
> Most farmers I know wouldn't worry about a few ruts, unless they were
> enough to stop them going about their work - it's the city dwellers who
> see a muddy track and assume it's someone's "fault".

Just to add my two pennys worth, if thats ok, the ruts looked much wider
than normally possible with a Landy, even a nice new one with 235's fitted.
What I am trying to say is that I wouldn't be surprised if it was the farmer
himself who had churned up this green lane just to get himself on telly.
Should go down well in his local tonight? As for his comment about the ruts
being too deep, surely he must know not to keep driving in them as that
makes matters worse, especially in the snow which was one of his concerns. I
was taught to straddle these kinds of ruts?

> Yes, it's *our* countryside, but take it as it is, not as some idealised
> playground for the lefties in Hackney who want to get back to "real
> living" and roses around the door, as long as it isn't too smelly and we
> can still drive the MachoHardWarrior Sport GSX up to the door without
> getting it dirty.

But it's the left wing Guardian reading do gooders that want to ramble
without seeing a 4x4 for miles. This island of ours is big enough for
everyone to enjoy as I can go to Scotland or Wales in my Landy and not see a
Guardian reader for miles and days on end? Or another person at all for that
matter?


 
so Larry was, like...
>
> Who does the most damage to the countryside, I will tell you Rambers.

Agreed. Don't you find that they stick in the treads of ATs much worse than
MTs? I ran over one last week and he's still going click-click every wheel
revolution.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
so Jason was, like...
>
> But it's the left wing Guardian reading do gooders that want to ramble
> without seeing a 4x4 for miles. This island of ours is big enough for
> everyone to enjoy

Of all the miles of off-tarmac tracks in the UK, something like 95% are for
walkers and horses only (and I'm OK with that). But they want to ban us
from the 5% we have!

Someone will be along any minute with the correct figures.


--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
On Tuesday, in article
<[email protected]>
"@{m}@"@101fc.net "Mother" wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:36:50 +0100, Ian Rawlings
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >A very misleading news story indeed.
>
> Such is popularist media I guess...

I came across a bit of a scare story at the local Neighbourhood Watch
meeting. The claim was made that the crooks would get at the houses in
a new estate by running up to the back gardens in 4x4s.

Why not, I asked, check with the farmers about locking the field gates?

"Can't do that, Right to Roam."

As an ex-farmer, I boggled slightly. I limited myself to telling them
that right to roam didn't apply to arable land.

The bit about opportunists walking off with "white goods" from garages
also seemed a little at odds with reality, but shifting a washing
machine is something that perhaps is an experience that this guy has
missed.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 
"Jason" <jasonjbowen@(REMOVE)hotmail.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> But it's the left wing Guardian reading do gooders that want to ramble
> without seeing a 4x4 for miles.

Careful. Some of us own Land Rovers.

Jeremy

 
On or around Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:14:33 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:46:55 +0100, Ian Rawlings
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=588
>
>Super, thanks, now archived at:
>
>http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/C4-News-2005-08-23-offroad.wmv
>
is it just me or is the video as dark as a dark thing in places?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
 
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:31:07 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>More worrying is the three or four incidents of lane sabotage in the
>last 6 months that have been reported to them and the police, with
>metal spikes and planks with nails being left in puddles and mounds of
>earth placed at the sides of the track to force people to go through
>the puddles where the traps are.

Glad to see your GLASS magazine has arrived :)

The other part of this frightening story is that it was a horse rider
who found it - the horse could have been seriously hurt - possibly
have to be put down, and furthermore, just after the police had
removed the viscious device, a rescue team had to use the same route.

 
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:12:58 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Agreed. Don't you find that they stick in the treads of ATs much worse than
>MTs? I ran over one last week and he's still going click-click every wheel
>revolution.

Yebut that's what the bent metal tool in your Swiss Army knife is for
init?

 
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