Channel 4 news piece on off-roading

On Tuesday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "Richard Brookman" wrote:

> so Jason was, like...
> >
> > But it's the left wing Guardian reading do gooders that want to ramble
> > without seeing a 4x4 for miles. This island of ours is big enough for
> > everyone to enjoy
>
> Of all the miles of off-tarmac tracks in the UK, something like 95% are for
> walkers and horses only (and I'm OK with that). But they want to ban us
> from the 5% we have!
>
> Someone will be along any minute with the correct figures.

I wouldn't dispute the figure.

But please don't forget that many of these public rights of way, for
walkers and horses only, coincide with the _private_ rights of way
needed by farmers and other occupiers of land.

The Ramblers, it sometimes seems, see a wheel-rut left by a farmer
tending to his livestock, and switch to scream-and-leap mode.

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In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] ("David G. Bell") wrote:

> On Tuesday, in article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "Richard Brookman" wrote:
>
> > so Jason was, like...
> > >
> > > But it's the left wing Guardian reading do gooders that want to ramble
> > > without seeing a 4x4 for miles. This island of ours is big enough for
> > > everyone to enjoy
> >
> > Of all the miles of off-tarmac tracks in the UK, something like 95% are for
> > walkers and horses only (and I'm OK with that). But they want to ban us
> > from the 5% we have!
> >
> > Someone will be along any minute with the correct figures.
>
> I wouldn't dispute the figure.
>
> But please don't forget that many of these public rights of way, for
> walkers and horses only, coincide with the _private_ rights of way
> needed by farmers and other occupiers of land.
>
> The Ramblers, it sometimes seems, see a wheel-rut left by a farmer
> tending to his livestock, and switch to scream-and-leap mode.
>

That's the thing that I hate about the Ramblers Association - they
bang on endlessly about their rights to do this or that, and
then turn round with total hypocarcey (sp?) and demand that others
should not be able to excersise theirs.

An intersting development in the Peak Park recently has been a massive
burst of lane maintainence. Taking one of my habitual short-cuts near
Hartington I found that a "porper road" (pulverised ash surface at a
guess) had replaced the rather rutted old surface, and they had
even laid this "road" accross the lawn that someone had tried to
claim as part of their garden. Together with all the other lanes
they have surfaced in the last few months it does make things a little
dull, but at least they are doing maintainance rather than closing them.


Richard
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On 2005-08-24, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> Glad to see your GLASS magazine has arrived

Indeed, quite a good read.

> The other part of this frightening story is that it was a horse rider
> who found it - the horse could have been seriously hurt - possibly
> have to be put down, and furthermore, just after the police had
> removed the viscious device, a rescue team had to use the same route.

For the benefit of those who aren't members of GLASS and don't have
the magazine (shame on you), the rider who found the device moved it
to the side of the road and informed the police, who went back up
there and dredged the puddle and found that it had been put back in.

I'll be putting this stuff in the letter to C4 and asking them why
they don't cover real crime.

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On 2005-08-23, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

> What I am trying to say is that I wouldn't be surprised if it was
> the farmer himself who had churned up this green lane just to get
> himself on telly.

There weren't really any significant ruts, but he did complain about
having to fill them in himself, which given that he's a landowner with
a right of way running across his property that he uses as part of his
business far more often than people in landrovers are likely to, it's
not something that he should be moaning about as it's his lawful duty
and also he's going to be the one causing the most damage.

> But it's the left wing Guardian reading do gooders that want to
> ramble without seeing a 4x4 for miles. This island of ours is big
> enough for everyone to enjoy as I can go to Scotland or Wales in my
> Landy and not see a Guardian reader for miles and days on end? Or
> another person at all for that matter?

When I went off-roading on an organised trip in the Brecon Beacons
there were 15 vehicles in the convoy, and the chap running it said
he'd seen 50 vehicle convoys led by some chap who runs one of the
landrover mags. I won't be going to the beacons in an organised trip
again, but it's these huge convoys, even 15, that pour masses of
petrol on the flames.

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On 2005-08-24, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> is it just me or is the video as dark as a dark thing in places?

Old age I think! Get your eyes tested ;-)

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In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2005-08-23, Jason <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > What I am trying to say is that I wouldn't be surprised if it was
> > the farmer himself who had churned up this green lane just to get
> > himself on telly.
>
> There weren't really any significant ruts, but he did complain about
> having to fill them in himself, which given that he's a landowner with
> a right of way running across his property that he uses as part of his
> business far more often than people in landrovers are likely to, it's
> not something that he should be moaning about as it's his lawful duty
> and also he's going to be the one causing the most damage.
>
> > But it's the left wing Guardian reading do gooders that want to
> > ramble without seeing a 4x4 for miles. This island of ours is big
> > enough for everyone to enjoy as I can go to Scotland or Wales in my
> > Landy and not see a Guardian reader for miles and days on end? Or
> > another person at all for that matter?
>
> When I went off-roading on an organised trip in the Brecon Beacons
> there were 15 vehicles in the convoy, and the chap running it said
> he'd seen 50 vehicle convoys led by some chap who runs one of the
> landrover mags. I won't be going to the beacons in an organised trip
> again, but it's these huge convoys, even 15, that pour masses of
> petrol on the flames.
>

Indeed, the usual guideline is 5 or 6 in a group. Unfortunately
the commercial and magazine "paid events" are doing us no favours at
all. Though why people can't just join a club and thereby same
themselves a lot of money and get advice for free from experts who
have the benefit of much experience beats me.

Richard
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On 2005-08-24, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

> Indeed, the usual guideline is 5 or 6 in a group.

I usually top out at three, I went off-roading a week or so ago with
two other trucks after having vetoed the joining of a fourth. I start
getting embarassed at four if we meet anyone else on the track.
That's not usually much of a problem around here though, I rarely see
any other lane users, despite the countryside teeming with hordes of
satanic off-roaders intent on raping squirrels.

> Unfortunately the commercial and magazine "paid events" are doing us
> no favours at all.

Yep, if I could remember which magazine was running the 50-strong
convoys in the Beacons I'd start writing regular letters, both to the
magazine in question and their rivals.

> Though why people can't just join a club and thereby same
> themselves a lot of money and get advice for free from experts who
> have the benefit of much experience beats me.

My local group, Friends of Dorset Rights of Way led a convoy of about
10 across Salisbury Plain, there were two groups of 10 or so lead by
the group after a surprisingly large turnout, one of the groups was
led by the local GLASS rep, which was a bit off. I won't be going on
one of those again either.

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"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 2005-08-24, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> is it just me or is the video as dark as a dark thing in places?
>
> Old age I think! Get your eyes tested ;-)

....I told him getting excited so about V8's would make him blind!

;0)

Lee D

On or around Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:46:19 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2005-08-24, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> is it just me or is the video as dark as a dark thing in places?
>
>Old age I think! Get your eyes tested ;-)

nah, different monitor. been trying to get the thing to play nicely with
the graphics card - modern graphics cards have too many tweaks. Having said
that, it's ghosting and I've just ordered a better video cable, so it might
well perform better with that in place.
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