I've dabbled in all sorts of things in my time so may be able to add something to this conversation..
Yup that's about it. Same thing, same production line, on a one for Land Rover two for Britpart basis i would think. Or in the shadow factory across the road. Same as Nike, Reebok genuine none genuine trainers. Sad thing is they all cost peanuts to make genuine or none genuine. But the retailers distiguish them by adding 500% profit to the so called genuine ones.
Nah. Often selling OEM and own-brand is actually more profitable for the retailer. Too many hoops to jump through and costs involved in getting the certified genu-wine stuff. The 500% is made by the the people who own the brand.
Quite correct Irish. Then we get to the greedy western companies who sent their manufacturing to China, India, Taiwan, Korea then discovered the markets were flooded with so called counterfeit goods. Because these people were making western goods in shadow factories from the tooling drawings supplied for the genuine articles. That is the reason the great Global warming con was started. The western governments fearful that ALL manufacturing is going east picked a time of natural warming which occurs on a regular basis, to blame man made CO2 output on. Then tried and are still trying to prevent growth in the east by getting them to agree to cutting CO2 output down. Knowing this would put their costs up so the west could be competative.
I agree there's a degree of blatant hypocrisy in this but I've never seen the global warming/natural cycle thing put so plainly. Makes sense to me!
I have a close friend who works out of HK for a quality control organisation and regularly visits manufacturing plants in China - mainly clothing and consumer goods from our conversations - and you will get Armani priced clothing coming out of the same door as Primark. I'm a regular visitor and the choice of consumer electronics over in the far east outstrips anything over here in Europe. They're all manufactured in the same area from by and large the same sorts of components. Hey, there are even places where you can spec your own DVD or whatever and then final options is which badge/label you want on the front
Its called "own-brand"-ing. Common practice and perfectly legit as it allows the brand owner to pay less to the manufacturer if he allows the manufacturer to also offer own-branding. This is how, lets say ASDA, could order 20,000 Samsung microwave ovens but brand them as Sumsang or whatever and sell em WIGIG (when its gone its gone) while still offering a proper warranty. Not really that different from buying a Jaguar on a Ford platform if you think about it. Usually there are marketing restrictions or limitations on use of IP in order to keep the "original" safe. Give you an example, a friend manufactures Ferrari clothing. The embroidered Ferrari logos come straight to him from Maranello and are numbered. If he makes a 100 jackets, he'll be given a 100 logos. If one is damaged or torn or whatever he has to fill in a million pages of paperwork and return thedamaged logo in order to get a replacement. But he's allowed to make and sell the same jacket without the label, no problem.
Basically Ferrari know well that the punter who wants a Ferrari jacket will only buy the real deal. The fella who buys a replica wasn't ever a going to be a paying customer. So its not like sales are being lost. But by allowing the replica to exist Ferrari gets to promote its brand "aura" on the cheap.
The Britpart "factory" made Water Pump which has done over 40000miles without any problem. This had to be fitted after the genuine LR pump packed up and leaked like a sieve after just 3000 miles. The Britpart Starter motor from their Electrical Factory has been on for over 5 years without problems.
The Armstrong Shocks (Made in Sheffield) are just about ready for replacement after 60000 on Irish roads.
Finally, the Coopers oil filters used when I do a service are made near Abergavenny..where the majority of "Original" filters are turned out in fancy boxes.
Ferodo make my brake pads on the same production line, using the same materials and process as "Genuine" products.
All of these manufacturers and others do not tell the workforce "Right folks, you can turn out ****e now and dig all the rejects out because we have finished the genuine parts run"
If you want proof...just look at the Japanese car industry recently with all the recalls following the fitting of "Genuine" parts and assemblies. Lets wait and see what happens when TATA get their feet well under the table !!
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To be fair TATA are known to be pretty ferocious when it comes to quality control.. at least my cuppa still tastes good (they also own Tetley).
Armstrong, Coopers, Ferodo et al are well known manufacturers in their own right, the fact that Britpart sell their products is irrelevant - it's the Britpart "own brand" of products that are problematical
am sure there's plenty of people who have stories of "my Britpart xyz" has lasted years - that may well be true, but for every 1 happy customer there'll be 1000 unhappy ones
that's why Britpart have such a good reputation for selling CRAP, if you believe that not to be true then may i politely suggest you need your head extracting from the ground
Sean, you are absolutely right. Britpart own brand is made to a price, and a basic perfomance spec just enough so they won't get sued. The thing is, they never pretended otherwise and they offer plenty of choice - 4 options as I recall: Genuine, OEM, After-market and finally Own-Brand. I feel like "doing a Sean" when I keep hearing people winge about the fact that they chose to spend 4 quid instead of 25 but still want the quality of 25.
Don't get so worked up on a sunny Friday
I didn't say that everything comes from the same factory. I was writing to say that you will often find the same plants pumping out 'low end' products as well as supposed 'high end' ones. The manufacturing process may or many not be the same but they still come out the same door.
You could say in a similar vein that people often take delivery or 'friday afternoon' cars or products which just don't live up to expectation.
Let's face it, most people here bought a Range Rover so they didn't buy cheap but they probably will have to spend a small fortune on replacement parts lol
The point is most people probably did buy cheap. Show of hands how many people reading this thread are first registered owners.
The old knives tale was true. If you don't believe it that's your problem. There are shoddy goods about of that there is no doubt. In the days that brake pads were made by Dunlop or Girling or Mintex or Lockheed you stayed clear of cheap imports if you had any sense. But today with all those makers having their products made in the east you don't honestly know if that new box of pads are genuine or not. Or the same pads made in the same factory in a different box. Another true story for you. A few years ago an Indian airforce Canberra bomber left the runway on landing killing both crew members, when it's brakes failed. That aircraft was on a test flight after maintenance. The friction material on the genuine boxed Girling brake pads fitted to it, and drawn form the base stores were found to be no more than compressed cow dung. That is another true story you may choose to disbelieve. There is a massive market in counterfeit aircraft bolts most of them coming from the east. Indistiguishable from the real thing except for their torsional and tensional strength. Every batch of bolts that enters Bae is sample tested in the labs before they are allowed into stores, even ones from approved suppliers, same at Boeing. Truth is you just don't know these days if a genuine part is a genuine part anymore, thank's to our little yellow friends..
Phew! Good thing I'm only brown then or I'd be well scared..
On a more serious note, counterfeiting is a whole different ball-game to cheap replacement parts that don't pretend to be anything else. Counterfeiters are criminals playing with people's lives and deserve jail.
I have bought several spurious parts including Britpart, Allmakes and Bearmach, Quinton Hazell etc.
When ordering online for spurious, you are taking a chance on which one you get but I have never had a problem with any of them.
I have owned my P38 since 1998, it's a '97 model and believe me, it wasn't a "Cheap" motor, being only 12 months old at the time. Like most people, I look for the best deal including safety stuff like tyres etc. but with regard to tyres, only reputable makes will do.
What you seem to be advocating Sean is that if you buy a Range Rover, only genuine parts should be fitted, otherwise don't get one!
Have you got shares in LR????
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you mean TATA
