Bite The Clutch Bullet..........

just seen a write up by some other guy...it dunt look that bad a job tbh

It's not, I have lost my sense of reality a bit tho cos I've been doing it for twenty years now, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Mercedes Benz, French stuff Chrysler jeep Dodge. To name a few, now I'm self employed as a mobile mechanic so I do everything on axle stands, you get used to it. In a round about kinda way I'm trying to say what I think is easy you may curse me for saying so! So sometimes I do wonder if I should say something is easy. Does that make any sense?


DD

it does make sense, i've not had as much experience as you or anywhere near as well tooled up but i could do it given time.




a little bit longer than 6 hours tho.....i'll make it a weekend

Freelaner said:

it does make sense, i've not had as much experience as you or anywhere near as well tooled up but i could do it given time.




a little bit longer than 6 hours tho.....i'll make it a weekend

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I'd imagine you'd be fine, all I'd suggest is a hand getting it back in, it's not heavy, it's just tricky to line it up with the clutch and IRD at the same time, so someone to take the weight as you wiggle it does make life a lot easier.

Mine was caused by the fork spindle being semi seized, basically it wasn't releasing fully so it destroyed the bearing big time. It's all nice and lubed now


DD

Diesel Do said:

I'd imagine you'd be fine, all I'd suggest is a hand getting it back in, it's not heavy, it's just tricky to line it up with the clutch and IRD at the same time, so someone to take the weight as you wiggle it does make life a lot easier.

Mine was caused by the fork spindle being semi seized, basically it wasn't releasing fully so it destroyed the bearing big time. It's all nice and lubed now


DD

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will do cheers


i've heard about the lubrication issue and how it also causes juddering

Freelaner said:

will do cheers


i've heard about the lubrication issue and how it also causes juddering

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Yup mine was juddering but I buried my head in the sand


DD

Diesel Do said:

Yup mine was juddering but I buried my head in the sand


DD

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bollix

it does it every now and then


test next month, just got her ready for it...well when i've got the centre eggsauce pipe so i can fit it

It can be lack of lube on the splined shaft and the friction plate can't move freely! Mine just seemed to be the fork pivots! I didn't realise how heavy it had got, the new ones feather light


DD

6 hours........ damn that's a good time!! As I have the TD4 with the getrag 'box, I'm under the assumption that the IRD has to come out. I'm really tempted to have a go myself, I have a fair few tools to hand, and love to fiddle around. Plus it's an opportunity to save nearly 400 in labour costs

crockett007 said:

6 hours........ damn that's a good time!! As I have the TD4 with the getrag 'box, I'm under the assumption that the IRD has to come out. I'm really tempted to have a go myself, I have a fair few tools to hand, and love to fiddle around. Plus it's an opportunity to save nearly 400 in labour costs

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I'd need to have a look to compare the differences! I imagine the IRD is the same? It'd depend how much room there is around the subframe really!


DD

Diesel Do said:

It can be lack of lube on the splined shaft and the friction plate can't move freely! Mine just seemed to be the fork pivots! I didn't realise how heavy it had got, the new ones feather light


DD

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Stiffness and judder is due to a lack of lube. The bearing slide and fork pivots are prime candidates but the box spline is often overlooked as a cause but it is just as important!!

all irds are the same except the V6

My clutch just started slipping today

thinking of getting a kit from LUK or whatever Rimmer bros offer - heard they do a heavy duty one on here somewhere

Does anybody know if the ird has to come off to do the job on the Td4 engine ??
Is there a detailed write up around ?

thanks

Digby

Digby' I've just read the manual, and it looks like the IRD has to come off

I'm gonna give it a go myself, I've got use of a small workshop over the school half term, and I'm hoping to get it done over a couple of days. Just need to do a complete list of parts, and especially change everything within the bell housing!!

As a side issue, the heavy duty clutch assembly seems to include a single mass flywheel. I've read several reports on these conversions, and in my case I'll be sticking with the (bloody expensive!) dual mass flywheel.

Hi crockett

Thanks for the reply
Got a mail from rimmer bros regarding the hevy duty kit - it includes a regular flywheel

They also proposed a "Normal" kit with disc, cover and release bearing / slave cylinder for just under 150 quid

If the garage where i bought it dont repair under guarantee looks like this will be my route

However reading on here it seems that the clutch on these cars is a real disaster area !!

Digby

digby said:

Hi crockett

Thanks for the reply
Got a mail from rimmer bros regarding the hevy duty kit - it includes a regular flywheel

They also proposed a "Normal" kit with disc, cover and release bearing / slave cylinder for just under 150 quid

If the garage where i bought it dont repair under guarantee looks like this will be my route

However reading on here it seems that the clutch on these cars is a real disaster area !!

Digby

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Oh, there's a ton of work involved, Digby. Just been reading up on it all, and loads of parts have to be removed. But it'll be satisfying if, hopefully, it all goes back together nicely and it all works!

Ive done clutches and stuff before

easy on an Escort Mk1 and Ford Capri
Bit more tricky on the Escort XR3i being front wheel drive
the job doesn't scare me just looking for the best attack route.

digby said:

Ive done clutches and stuff before

easy on an Escort Mk1 and Ford Capri
Bit more tricky on the Escort XR3i being front wheel drive
the job doesn't scare me just looking for the best attack route.

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They were all seriously easy! I found a forum where they reckoned take the subframe off, then the IRD, then the box. This gave loads more room and made it far quicker, on a ramp at least!


DD

That may be the best way - once the car is up in the air a bit (on stands) it will certainly help even if there are more bits to take off.
Will help me to understand how this meccano kit goes together too
I can get a clutch kit (disc, plate and bearing / slave cylinder) for 205 €uro
Just have to hope that the DMF is OK - makes no strange noises so fingers crossed
That just leaves the master cylinder - just 1 time (yesterday ) i was left with the clutch pedal on the floor - pulled it up by hand and OK since...... is this an early sign of impending doom and wallet emptying ???

digby

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Oh, there's a ton of work involved, Digby. Just been reading up on it all, and loads of parts have to be removed. But it'll be satisfying if, hopefully, it all goes back together nicely and it all works!

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Had the same issue after taking the freebie greenlaning with the 'tratter boys around Holmfirth a couple of weeks ago, the freelander seriously needs a low box if you're manual. Had a few walkers go past me commenting on the burning smell. Besides the clutch I think it did a fantastic job, take a look at my last thread for vids if you're interested.

Down side of it all was I killed the clutch on the 2nd day when I was rock crawling / climbing / whatever its called. Attempted to change the clutch last weekend, got so far as moving the IRD then bottled out, the job just looks too big to do on a driveway without a pit to get under properly (in my opinion).

Long story short, I'm now £460 lighter in the pocket for a new clutch assy & bearing, didnt bother with the DMF as I dont intend keeping it much longer - got my eye on a new(ish) TDCi 'fender.

Good luck if you try it yourself, you're a more patient & braver man than I was!