bfg muds VS cooper STT for mileage/longevity - yes another fecking tyre thread! :)

[Saltlick]

I've had a bit of a search and can't find a great deal, but I will need to replace my insa turbo traction tracks at some point soon, and I don't think I've had very good mileage out of them - 12-18k or so. But they've been very good around the fields where I shoot, so no complaints especially considering what they cost!

I've seen a few people commenting on the long life they've had from their BFG tyres, but these are often the AT variety. So how many miles should I expect out of a set of M/T KM2'S and a set of STT's, roughly?

I know that's a very vague request as the type of driving will obviously affect longevity, but it's probably 60% off road when I drive, but 100% on road when the missus drives (school run/shopping etc.) and the split is probably 60% me, 40% her driving it. The requirement of semi aggressive tyres is mainly for me so I don't find myself stuck in a farmers' field at 3am while lamping and have to call the farmer out... Most tend not to like it!
Cheers chaps..

 

[hughesy]

Can't really help you other than to say I got well over 50k miles out of my last set of BFG muds. The old type not the ones they do now. I'm currently using Cooper STT and they compare very favourably with the BFGs for performance but I'm a long way off knowing how long they'll last.

 

[Saltlick]

50k! Not bad at all! What sort of driving was that?

 

[julianf]

i keep eyeing up bfg at rubber, but it will be £520 for 4, vs, £340 for coopers

I had cooper on the disco, and replaced them one by one, as they wore - the last one lasted about 50k, but its companions did not fare so well

(if i rotated them they would all fail at the same time, but i did not)

 

[Saltlick]

That's interesting JF - how come the others failed earlier than the 50K one - Punctures etc?
again 50 thou is pretty respectable, though if the others all wore out at 20K then maybe not so good!

I just found a new cooper stt model, the STT Pro M/T, and it's pretty damn cheap here:
https://www.4x4tyres.co.uk/235-85-16-cooper-discoverer-stt-pro-mud-terrain-120-116q_76150

Has anyone tried it or heard of any good/bad reviews?

 

[Saltlick]

£340 is pretty cheap too - where on earth are you seeing that price?

 

[Thor1950]

That's interesting JF - how come the others failed earlier than the 50K one - Punctures etc?
again 50 thou is pretty respectable, though if the others all wore out at 20K then maybe not so good!

I just found a new cooper stt model, the STT Pro M/T, and it's pretty damn cheap here:
https://www.4x4tyres.co.uk/235-85-16-cooper-discoverer-stt-pro-mud-terrain-120-116q_76150

Has anyone tried it or heard of any good/bad reviews?

I run AT2/3 coopers for close to 20 years. Won't use any other tyre. easily get 50-60k from them. Only time I ever had a failure was when the tread disappeared, and the steel belts broke

 

[julianf]

£340 is pretty cheap too - where on earth are you seeing that price?

camskills

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m64b0s493...Eff_:_E_Wet_Grip:_E_NoiseClass:_2_Noise:_72dB

again though, i was on about ATs, not muds (i know you were after muds)

(the price i gave was for 4, delivered, but not fitted)

The cooper were on our disco when we purchased it. It still has one on it now, 50k later. Two of the others just wore due to driving (i guess they dont always ware at even rates, if you dont rotate?) and one got damaged on its side wall, The two that went due to standard ware were probably a year back, the one due to sidewall damage a few months back.

The remaining one is still legal, but ill change it soon, as the ware is uneven.

So i would say they (the ATs) are great value. BFGs seem to be what people go for when money is no object though, so, grass being greener and all that, im tempted by them for the 110. 500 notes on tyres is quite a spend in one go though.

 

[Murtle]

I run Toyo Open Country M/T 235-85-R16 on mine, exactly the same tread pattern as Cooper STT but lower cost and I feel better quality. I've put about 20K on them so far and there's loads of tread left, I would think these are good for 40-50K easy.

 

[bankz5152]

Got the STTs on mine, good road manners, pretty good in the rain but not fantastic, excellent off road, inc sand, mud, grass, rocks however not very good on clay or very thick mud, just turns em into slicks. Though its rare i'm in clay.

Can't comment on longevity but they have been on my landy for 17,000 miles so far and still do their job. I'll measure the tread depth tonight and compare to my still brand new spare.

Thanks for the Copper Pro link! I want a set for my next Landy, not seen them anywhere in the UK yet

 

[hughesy]

50k! Not bad at all! What sort of driving was that?

The usual kind. Mostly work related. I'm a farmer so a lot of country roads, muddy fields and a fair bit of towing, plus regular motorway/dual carriageway stuff usually with a trailer. That particular set saw service on a defender and on a couple of discos. Changed the vehicle, kept the tyres!

 

[Coffeelandy]

I just got some Goodyear Wrangler MTs and they seem to get 50k according to reviews. Great off road and not bad on road either so far. Not particularly noisy. Very happy so far. I got them in a package from my local Landy garage, brand new hd wolf wheels with tyres on for 130 each so I got 5.
Got them from Roger Young in Cornwall he's just done all the take offs for Western Power and has loads in if you want a set.

 

[Bennehboy]

however not very good on clay or very thick mud, just turns em into slicks. Though its rare i'm in clay.

Exactly the same experience, if you're on pretty clay like mud then they bog up really quickly, you then tend to go sideways if there's any kind of slope....

 

[Turboman]

Exactly the same experience, if you're on pretty clay like mud then they bog up really quickly, you then tend to go sideways if there's any kind of slope....

Unfortunately, greasy , saturated clay with grass on top is one of the most difficult surfaces of all to drive over! Even a 4WD tractor will struggle in really bad conditions on that sort of ground. I should know, I drive on it every day at this time of year.

As you say, one of the most difficult things is to hold your line crossing a steep side slope, for example if you are trying to get through a gateway on the other side. One of the reasons I favour quite narrow tyres, they cut a rut, and hold you in it, so you arent constantly sliding away down the hill! Letting the pressures down a bit can help too.

 

[bankz5152]

Exactly the same experience, if you're on pretty clay like mud then they bog up really quickly, you then tend to go sideways if there's any kind of slope....

Once it was so bad I couldnt get over a curb sized bump!

 

[hughesy]

I can vouch for clay being difficult. I drive in it every day. It's one of the few things that's actually better when it's really wet because it comes out of the treads easier. When it's been drying for a few days it can be impossible even for a tractor.

 

[Coffeelandy]

Yep as per another thread look what happened to me on a side slope in greasy mud. Bloody terrifying as there was a grade 1 listed building at the bottom of the slope I was slowly slithering down.
Look at the tyre marks. This was on full diff lock low ratio the lot!