Asda veg oil

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ive just run out of veg last night. I actually had to take it to a forecourt!!!! :(

asda best deliver that veg oil tomorrow, although there is that thing where then can substitute it for something else if they have run out of stock... so you never know i might end up with 60 ltrs of butter for all i know... fook knows.

Ive just sourced a 1000 ltrs of black though ;) Sweet!
 
i chucked sunflower in when i was desperate a few weeks back...

lower in saturates..or polyunsaturates...oh **** knows... it lowers your cholesterol anyway!
 
i chucked sunflower in when i was desperate a few weeks back...

lower in saturates..or polyunsaturates...oh **** knows... it lowers your cholesterol anyway!


Well im jumpin on this bandwagon now, wish id known before as when i was working in that there London i was going thro 2 an half tankfulls a week, could of saved 60quid a fcuking week :(
Better late than never :eek:
 
ive just run out of veg last night. I actually had to take it to a forecourt!!!! :(

asda best deliver that veg oil tomorrow, although there is that thing where then can substitute it for something else if they have run out of stock... so you never know i might end up with 60 ltrs of butter for all i know... fook knows.

Ive just sourced a 1000 ltrs of black though ;) Sweet!

Ok Black is another topic entirely - and before you start using Black you need to run on Veg until you run out and stop - then you need to run on pump juice for a while to flush your system thoroughly

you can not mix Black and Veg or Black and Bio - well I mean you can but you won’t last very long!!

Also you have to pay tax on Black – get caught using that and they will want your car!!
 
Ok Black is another topic entirely - and before you start using Black you need to run on Veg until you run out and stop - then you need to run on pump juice for a while to flush your system thoroughly

you can not mix Black and Veg or Black and Bio - well I mean you can but you won’t last very long!!

Also you have to pay tax on Black – get caught using that and they will want your car!!

I know, I dont mind paying the tax on it....as im getting it for free. Sweet.
 
I know, I dont mind paying the tax on it....as im getting it for free. Sweet.


Nice one ;-)

you do know you can make clear diesel with old engine oil and when they dip your tank they will never know ;-) ;-) but shhhhhh I didn't say anything lol
 
I like the sound of this but I'm a bit unsure as my 2001 disco TD5 has been remapped will I be ok to run on veg oil
 
Ha good ! one other question is does veg oil smell like a chip shop when you drive past people? Or is that only if its used and been filtered so all crap isnt in it ?

you get a whiff of it if you do short trips as diesel inject a small amount of fuel to help start

but on long runs it's not noticeable
 
A few points need to be made here:

1) If your engine is a "common rail" type (I could be wrong, but I think all Freelanders are common rail) you cannot run on a mix containing more than maybe 10% vegetable oil in the summer. These are far too sensitive to fuel viscosity.

2) If your engine isn't of a common rail variety but instead has a mechanical distributor pump (200tdi, 300tdi, TD5, BMW M51), the mix you can get away with in a single-tank scenario varies.

In the current temperatures, 50% vegetable oil / diesel mix is OK. In the summer I run 2/3 vegetable oil. You will probably need to go down to 1/3 or less vegetable oil once the temperatures drop below 0C. This applies to at least 300tdi and M51 engines.

300tdi is prone to injectors coking up. You'd do well to get yourself a spare set and when it starts to smoke horribly, swap them out and leave the dodgy set in a tub of redex for a few months until the new set gums up, and then swap them around. M51 doesn't have this problem. Mixing with petrol will make this problem worse due to it burning a little hotter.

P38 (M51 engine) - expect to have to change the lift pump in the tank every 3 months or so, so cut an access hatch under the back seat to get to it easily - otherwise you'd have to drop the fuel tank out every time (i.e. hours vs. minutes to change the pump).

If you have a 300tdi or a M51, get a fluid-fluid heat exchanger between the fuel filter head and the fuel filter. It will vastly prolong the life of the fuel filter and the injection pump. IIRC TD5's fuel line is routed through the cylinder head, so this isn't as important on those.

Vegetable oil will dissolve standard diesel seals made of nitrile rubber very quickly (weeks at most). This will cause the seals to shrink and perish, and turn into black dust which will clock things up. This is why when you first switch to vegetable oil the filters clog up very quickly. Viton rubber is much more resistant to vegetable oil (it won't perish and turn to dust), but it will still shrink a bit. This will eventually cause the fuel pump to leak and lose pressure and you'll have to change it. With a decent Bosch pump, however, this may well take over 50K miles, but budget for a £1200 bill for reconditioning the injection pump every 50K miles or so.

Considering all this, running on fresh vegetable oil isn't really worth it when you factor in the injection pump replacement costs and the relatively modest savings on the fuel cost (remember you still have to mix it with diesel. Used vegetable oil at 50p/litre is a much more sane proposition, but if you are going to do this on any worthwhile scale (you're allowed 2500 litres/year before you have to register and pay duty) you will need a settling tank and a filtering rig to filter down to 1 micron.

And yes, it'll smell very distinctly even when you've filtered it to 1 micron. It'll be very obvious and noticeable, possibly with a slight increase in smokyness especially if you run > 50% vegetable oil.

Black diesel (waste engine oil filtered down to 0.5 micron, then mixed with regular petrol/diesel) is an option, but unlike vegetable oil it is liable for full fuel duty+VAT, which makes it less worthwhile.
 
Thats that done, had a quarter tank of Diesel and topped it up with 18ltrs of Veg oil :D


Unfortunatly i sent the wife as she was going shopping anyway......she didnt go Asda she decided to go Sainsbury's instead and spent £4.10 for 3ltrs of their homebrand...... Correct, she turned a cheaper fuel into more expensive than diesel from the pump :doh::doh::doh:

Never mind :mad:
 
A few points need to be made here:

1) If your engine is a "common rail" type (I could be wrong, but I think all Freelanders are common rail) you cannot run on a mix containing more than maybe 10% vegetable oil in the summer. These are far too sensitive to fuel viscosity.

2) If your engine isn't of a common rail variety but instead has a mechanical distributor pump (200tdi, 300tdi, TD5, BMW M51), the mix you can get away with in a single-tank scenario varies.

In the current temperatures, 50% vegetable oil / diesel mix is OK. In the summer I run 2/3 vegetable oil. You will probably need to go down to 1/3 or less vegetable oil once the temperatures drop below 0C. This applies to at least 300tdi and M51 engines.

300tdi is prone to injectors coking up. You'd do well to get yourself a spare set and when it starts to smoke horribly, swap them out and leave the dodgy set in a tub of redex for a few months until the new set gums up, and then swap them around. M51 doesn't have this problem. Mixing with petrol will make this problem worse due to it burning a little hotter.

P38 (M51 engine) - expect to have to change the lift pump in the tank every 3 months or so, so cut an access hatch under the back seat to get to it easily - otherwise you'd have to drop the fuel tank out every time (i.e. hours vs. minutes to change the pump).

If you have a 300tdi or a M51, get a fluid-fluid heat exchanger between the fuel filter head and the fuel filter. It will vastly prolong the life of the fuel filter and the injection pump. IIRC TD5's fuel line is routed through the cylinder head, so this isn't as important on those.

Vegetable oil will dissolve standard diesel seals made of nitrile rubber very quickly (weeks at most). This will cause the seals to shrink and perish, and turn into black dust which will clock things up. This is why when you first switch to vegetable oil the filters clog up very quickly. Viton rubber is much more resistant to vegetable oil (it won't perish and turn to dust), but it will still shrink a bit. This will eventually cause the fuel pump to leak and lose pressure and you'll have to change it. With a decent Bosch pump, however, this may well take over 50K miles, but budget for a £1200 bill for reconditioning the injection pump every 50K miles or so.

Considering all this, running on fresh vegetable oil isn't really worth it when you factor in the injection pump replacement costs and the relatively modest savings on the fuel cost (remember you still have to mix it with diesel. Used vegetable oil at 50p/litre is a much more sane proposition, but if you are going to do this on any worthwhile scale (you're allowed 2500 litres/year before you have to register and pay duty) you will need a settling tank and a filtering rig to filter down to 1 micron.

And yes, it'll smell very distinctly even when you've filtered it to 1 micron. It'll be very obvious and noticeable, possibly with a slight increase in smokyness especially if you run > 50% vegetable oil.

Black diesel (waste engine oil filtered down to 0.5 micron, then mixed with regular petrol/diesel) is an option, but unlike vegetable oil it is liable for full fuel duty+VAT, which makes it less worthwhile.

Wow - someone is very against Bio fuels and clearly believes all the bull**** they print to scare you into running back to the pump!!

Vegetable oil will dissolve standard diesel seals made of nitrile rubber very quickly (weeks at most)

So what you are saying is if I place one of my spare diesel seals into a jar of Veg oil and take a picture every week and post up on here – within weeks it will of disappeared??

Do you also believe if you leave a tooth in coke is dissolves?

Why do Diesel Mechanics wear the same Nitrile gloves that the food industry use that handle Veg oil if they will be dissolved??





In the current temperatures, 50% vegetable oil / diesel mix is OK. In the summer I run 2/3 vegetable oil. You will probably need to go down to 1/3 or less vegetable oil once the temperatures drop below 0C. This applies to at least 300tdi and M51 engines.

So how am I running pure veg oil and 20% petrol mix with no problems then?? I set off to work and the temperature is around 1 deg ???



Black diesel (waste engine oil filtered down to 0.5 micron, then mixed with regular petrol/diesel) is an option, but unlike vegetable oil it is liable for full fuel duty+VAT, which makes it less worthwhile

Make Black Diesel this way and you’ll be in trouble before you complete your first journey!! To make Black you need a centrifuge to remove water and heavy soot
 
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