Adding 2stroke oil to diesel, worth it or not?

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tomroane2003

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Hi guys,

Mate of mine told me that adding 2stroke oil to my diesel will help with mpg and will clean injectors and will also burn cleaner. I was told to put 300ml to a 70ltr tank of fuel.

Just wondering if anyone has tried this and if it worked???

Tom
 
Getting alot more mpg. 300ml to a full tank. Well chuffed only cost me £5 for the 2stroke. Seeing a difference already. Happy days
 
What colour 2 stroke oil are you using?

If it is red and you are dipped they will assume it's red diesel...

It matters not a stuff that it is 2 stroke oil you use, oil has more energy in it, motor oil would show a marked improvement in consumption too.
 
No they won't...they can assume its strawberry jam for all i care..the computer read-out of the chemical content of whats in the tank is all that matters.

They have come a long way since scratch and sniff.
 
No they won't...they can assume its strawberry jam for all i care..the computer read-out of the chemical content of whats in the tank is all that matters.

They have come a long way since scratch and sniff.

Shifty was saying something about using oil and being dipped could mean custom's seizing your wagon for failing to pay fuel duty...???
 
Look at notice 179E

Section 4.2.

If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:

* any biofuel, or
* any other fuel substitute or additive

within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.

Production includes the manufacture or processing of road fuel, and the setting aside of any product that has not been charged with duty, with the intention of using it as road fuel.​

And under section 2.1
2.1 What are biodiesel, bioblend, bioethanol and bioethanol blend?

The law describes biodiesel as a diesel quality* liquid fuel that is produced from biomass or waste cooking oil:

* the ester content of which is not less than 96.5% by weight, and
* the sulphur content of which does not exceed 0.005% by weight, or is nil.

*diesel quality means that the fuel is a substitute for diesel rather than petrol.

'Bioblend' means any mixture that is produced by mixing:

* biodiesel, and
* heavy oil that has not been charged with the excise duty on hydrocarbon oil.​

So, as long as you keep records of how much you use, you should be ale to use ANY oil in a "blend", as long as you chuck a bit of veg oil in at the same time.

Edit: forgot to say, there is clause which allows you to add Lubricants to fuel, and these will not attract duty. Section 2.3.
 
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Look at notice 179E
Section 4.2.

If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:

* any biofuel, or
* any other fuel substitute or additive

within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.

Production includes the manufacture or processing of road fuel, and the setting aside of any product that has not been charged with duty, with the intention of using it as road fuel.​
And under section 2.1
2.1 What are biodiesel, bioblend, bioethanol and bioethanol blend?

The law describes biodiesel as a diesel quality* liquid fuel that is produced from biomass or waste cooking oil:

* the ester content of which is not less than 96.5% by weight, and
* the sulphur content of which does not exceed 0.005% by weight, or is nil.

*diesel quality means that the fuel is a substitute for diesel rather than petrol.

'Bioblend' means any mixture that is produced by mixing:

* biodiesel, and
* heavy oil that has not been charged with the excise duty on hydrocarbon oil.​
So, as long as you keep records of how much you use, you should be ale to use ANY oil in a "blend", as long as you chuck a bit of veg oil in at the same time.

Edit: forgot to say, there is clause which allows you to add Lubricants to fuel, and these will not attract duty. Section 2.3.

they will **** you for it as a taxable mileage increaser or as a hydrocarbon untaxed fuel
 
they will **** you for it ....as a hydrocarbon untaxed fuel

Bioblend. You're allowed "heavy oil that has not been charged with the excise duty on hydrocarbon oil". They don't say at what proportion it needs to be mixed.

Make a note on your fuel receipt and keep it for 6 years. By which time the ink will have faded and they will **** you.

Interesting note: 2 stroke oil may have had duty paid anyway, cos it's a fuel additive. Shouldn't have done if it's straight oil, but should have if it's got detergents and **** to keep your fizzy running sweet:D
 
No they won't...they can assume its strawberry jam for all i care..the computer read-out of the chemical content of whats in the tank is all that matters.

They have come a long way since scratch and sniff.

You have made an incorrect assumption that they all have the computerised version.

There are still plenty of HMRC vans going about that only have the pipe and clear bubble looking for red.
 
Interesting note: 2 stroke oil may have had duty paid anyway, cos it's a fuel additive. Shouldn't have done if it's straight oil, but should have if it's got detergents and **** to keep your fizzy running sweet:D

The man has a point, 2 stroke scooters on the road, oil bought from a garage etc.
 
Bioblend. You're allowed "heavy oil that has not been charged with the excise duty on hydrocarbon oil". They don't say at what proportion it needs to be mixed.

Make a note on your fuel receipt and keep it for 6 years. By which time the ink will have faded and they will **** you.

Interesting note: 2 stroke oil may have had duty paid anyway, cos it's a fuel additive. Shouldn't have done if it's straight oil, but should have if it's got detergents and **** to keep your fizzy running sweet:D


check out using automatic trans oil be better than 2 cycl oil good cleaner and lub
 
Bioblend. You're allowed "heavy oil that has not been charged with the excise duty on hydrocarbon oil". They don't say at what proportion it needs to be mixed.

Make a note on your fuel receipt and keep it for 6 years. By which time the ink will have faded and they will **** you.

Interesting note: 2 stroke oil may have had duty paid anyway, cos it's a fuel additive. Shouldn't have done if it's straight oil, but should have if it's got detergents and **** to keep your fizzy running sweet:D

I'm prepared to be proven wrong- but this is what I found

Biodiesel and bioblend - production, storage and delivery: biodiesel production - additives


If a mineral (hydrocarbon) oil additive, which has not been charged with excise duty, is added to the finished biodiesel the resulting product will be dutiable as a bioblend.
Fuel for road vehicles
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...ntent&id=HMCE_CL_000164&propertyType=document

lastly
http://search.hmrc.gov.uk/kb5/hmrc/hmrc/results.page?qt=notice+179E+

2.1 What are biodiesel, bioblend, bioethanol and bioethanol blend?

The law describes biodiesel as a diesel quality* liquid fuel that is produced from biomass or waste cooking oil:

* the ester content of which is not less than 96.5% by weight, and
* the sulphur content of which does not exceed 0.005% by weight, or is nil.


*diesel quality means that the fuel is a substitute for diesel rather than petrol.

'Bioblend' means any mixture that is produced by mixing:

* biodiesel, and
* heavy oil that has not been charged with the excise duty on hydrocarbon oil.

'Bioethanol' means a liquid fuel:

* consisting of ethanol produced from biomass, and
* capable of being used for the same purposes as light oil.

'Bioethanol blend' means any mixture that is produced by mixing:

* bioethanol, and
* hydrocarbon oil not charged with excise duty.

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2.2 Other fuel substitutes

Any liquid that is not hydrocarbon oil, biodiesel, bioblend, bioethanol or bioethanol blend but is used in place of mineral oil to fuel any engine, motor or other machinery is classed as a fuel substitute. Please see paragraph 3.1.1 for further details. This includes:

* any liquid used as a fuel in place of mineral oil
* any liquid which is used as an additive or extender to a mineral oil, or
* any liquid which is used as an additive or extender in a fuel substitute.

However, water is not considered to be a fuel substitute when used in a diesel emulsion when the emulsion is stabilised with additives. Duty is charged only on the non-water part of the fuel.

Hydrocarbon oils used for lubricating are exempt from what I found.
 
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