1996 P38 DSE Manual. Help Please! Videos included.

Nialox · Feb 17, 2020

Mark Piercy said:
I had a clattering noise from the fip on the engine à while ago and unplugging the little map sensor on the fuel filter housing stopped this from happening.
In the end the fuel pump in the tank had started to fail and eventually gave up and refused to start.
I replaced the fuel pump with a VDO unit and that was the end of the noises and the start up issues for me!
Don't be tempted by the cheap in tank pump.. You'll be dropping the tank again soon.... And don't cut a bloody hole in the body work!!
Try unplugging the map to see if the noises stop. It may shed some light in the noises, if not then further investigation is needed before you venture out in it and end up on a recovery truck

Brilliant I’ll give that a try now. Should be able to upload a video of cold start today too.

I’ll give unplugging the Map senior a go. What does unplugging the sensor actually do? Might be a silly question!

Datatek · Feb 17, 2020

Nialox said:
Brilliant I’ll give that a try now. Should be able to upload a video of cold start today too.

I’ll give unplugging the Map senior a go. What does unplugging the sensor actually do? Might be a silly question!

Affects the fueling.

Nialox · Feb 17, 2020

Mark Piercy said:
I had a clattering noise from the fip on the engine à while ago and unplugging the little map sensor on the fuel filter housing stopped this from happening.
In the end the fuel pump in the tank had started to fail and eventually gave up and refused to start.
I replaced the fuel pump with a VDO unit and that was the end of the noises and the start up issues for me!
Don't be tempted by the cheap in tank pump.. You'll be dropping the tank again soon.... And don't cut a bloody hole in the body work!!
Try unplugging the map to see if the noises stop. It may shed some light in the noises, if not then further investigation is needed before you venture out in it and end up on a recovery truck

Tested. No change to noise with removed MAP. I am not wondering what this rythmic clatter/vibration noise is. Every second or two.

really wish the noise came over better on video!

FIP looks suspiciously clean for a 150k milage car. No way of knowing if it’s been replaced but it does look clean.

Mark Piercy · Feb 17, 2020

Take a look on the lz map and see if anyone close by can give you a second opinion on the noise, cake and beer suits most helpers

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-ro...cue-map-everything-you-needed-to-know.191412/

RangeRoller dt · Feb 17, 2020

Suspiciously clean yes. Considering condition on the ‘new’ pump it had

Does it sound like a catastrophic failure waiting to happen or a typical diesel type noise?

Nialox · Feb 17, 2020

RangeRoller dt said:
Suspiciously clean yes. Considering condition on the ‘new’ pump it had

Does it sound like a catastrophic failure waiting to happen or a typical diesel type noise?

Definitely doesn’t sound like it’s going to die any second.

you can hear it in this video. Rythmic noise almost like a train going over tracks (volume up and watch whole way through - you can hear it at the end when I put camera back inside)

Datatek · Feb 17, 2020

Crank vibration damper shot.

Nialox · Feb 17, 2020

Datatek said:
Crank vibration damper shot.

definitely that then you reckon?

I couldn’t feel anyplay when I had the belts off etc. I’ll start looking for another

Datatek · Feb 17, 2020

Nialox said:
definitely that then you reckon?

I couldn’t feel anyplay when I had the belts off etc. I’ll start looking for another

I cannot be sure, but that is the sort of sound they make.

Nialox · Feb 17, 2020

Datatek said:
I cannot be sure, but that is the sort of sound they make.

is this something that’s going to cause sudden massive failure?

Datatek · Feb 17, 2020

Nialox said:
is this something that’s going to cause sudden massive failure?

No but if lf it is the pulley it can eventually come apart.

RangeRoller dt · Feb 17, 2020

Hopefully not chains clacking

I have no idea without seeing it in person. Only thing I can suggest is either diagnostics, and/or try to narrow it down -

Is it front/back, top/bottom, left/right

Seems to sound smooth enough apart from that

Mark Piercy · Feb 17, 2020

A long screwdriver, with the handle pushed into your ear and listen around the engine while it's running. Just watch out for the belts

You can use socket set extensions as well.

tomcat59alan · Feb 18, 2020

Mark Piercy said:
A long screwdriver, with the handle pushed into your ear and listen around the engine while it's running. Just watch out for the belts
You can use socket set extensions as well.

Or be dead professional and use one of these.

Mark Piercy · Feb 18, 2020

tomcat59alan said:
Or be dead professional and use one of these.

That looks rude, stop it

tomcat59alan · Feb 18, 2020

Mark Piercy said:
That looks rude, stop it

Depends were you put it Mark.

Nialox · Feb 18, 2020

Done the old screwdriver trick. No obvious chain rattle or any other noises from the block. Also checked the FIP with it (just Incase).

Found a pulley (smooth metal one) to the right of tensioner. Which is very very dry. New one on order but doesn’t appear like it would cause the noise that sounds like train tracks.

also appealed to some local forum members near by for their opinion

tomcat59alan · Feb 18, 2020

Nialox said:
Done the old screwdriver trick. No obvious chain rattle or any other noises from the block. Also checked the FIP with it (just Incase).

Found a pulley (smooth metal one) to the right of tensioner. Which is very very dry. New one on order but doesn’t appear like it would cause the noise that sounds like train tracks.

also appealed to some local forum members near by for their opinion

When you said appealed what were you wearing/offering?

Mark Piercy · Feb 18, 2020

tomcat59alan said:
Depends were you put it Mark.

I'm never coming back

Grrrrrr · Feb 18, 2020

tomcat59alan said:
When you said appealed what were you wearing/offering?

West Yorkshire so I am going to take a punt and say a little black dress and 6" heels. I assume we're looking at the Pontefract area.

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