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Thanks Ratty, I'll try that tomorrow, earth strap I can do and fuses, which relays anyone inparticular? I'll go through them all - THX L

:-) I will if someone helps me ..........

Hiya, thank you for getting back to me, your right its a TD5 (too much cider......) or just being blonde................. its a 2002

Hiya, my Defender intermitently won't start, the ECU has been tested and its fine, I put the keys in the igniton but the pre-heat and the engine management lights (amber on the dash) dont light, it will turn over but not start - if I take the keys out and start again it will then fire up. Also...