Iancorky · Dec 30, 2017

private penguin said:
A huge issue here is the OP's original request. The impression given was that this would be an easy rescue on good terrain. Had I seen the post originally i'd have offered to help.

Whilst a photo might not always be practical due to mobile signal, in this case it would have allowed LZIR members to make up their mind as to whether it was a safe job to attempt. As might an honest description.

LZIR does an excellent job, and I would still happily turn out to assist. However, i would be very unimpressed if i turned up to a situation and it was not as described.

How we make this work I dont know. There will always be an element of risk, and that is something that people willing to respond have to make up their own minds about.

+1. When I first read the thread I had the impression that he was just off the side of the road in a ditch and the road was half way up a mountain of the A**** road.
This didn't surprise me at the time as I likened it to where I am and we had 3 inches of snow at the time, had I been near I may have thrown my hat in the ring but then asked further questions.
Suppose local knowledge is king

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

private penguin said:
A huge issue here is the OP's original request. The impression given was that this would be an easy rescue on good terrain. Had I seen the post originally i'd have offered to help.

Whilst a photo might not always be practical due to mobile signal, in this case it would have allowed LZIR members to make up their mind as to whether it was a safe job to attempt. As might an honest description.

LZIR does an excellent job, and I would still happily turn out to assist. However, i would be very unimpressed if i turned up to a situation and it was not as described.

How we make this work I dont know. There will always be an element of risk, and that is something that people willing to respond have to make up their own minds about.

If you turn up and deem it unsafe, time to tell others ... maybe just to relocate the stuckee to a place of safety he/she may call emergency rescue or a farmer with the right gear ...

private penguin · Dec 30, 2017

Iancorky said:
+1. When I first read the thread I had the impression that he was just off the side of the road in a ditch and the road was half way up a mountain of the A**** road.
This didn't surprise me at the time as I likened it to where I am and we had 3 inches of snow at the time, had I been near I may have thrown my hat in the ring but then asked further questions.
Suppose local knowledge is king

I assumed it was a driveable farm track, perhaps a bit wet and icy.

There was mention of an "incline". There was no mention that it was very steep. There was no mention of the steep drop off to the side. The loose terrain. Or the scratchy access.

As I said upthread, i'm always willing to help people - whether or not they are LZ members. However, I would at least expect to be told the truth about the situation before helping.

allan downes · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
I can just see the headlines now .
“Landrover forum allowed mum and child to die, due to low post count”.
If you want that responsibility - great.

I like this. But i have to say you have to look at the situation like a mother and child would not have driven up there.

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

allan downes said:
I like this. But i have to say you have to look at the situation like a mother and child would not have driven up there.

What was his reason / excuse for driving up there?

Cheers

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 30, 2017

neilly said:
What was his reason / excuse for driving up there?

Cheers

because he "could"?

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

allan downes said:
I like this. But i have to say you have to look at the situation like a mother and child would not have driven up there.

We once had to rescue a woman and her husband, (who didn't drive), from a road in Cumbria, one with dry stone walls and a really steep rise ...
passing places were there, but she had gone on and on - there her bottle gave up, she had tried to turn around in a passing place and ended up across the road with her head on the steering wheel sobbing her heart out... she just didn't know what to do next ... her hubby sat staring into space ...

We parked in a passing place and walked up to her, past all the other cars that couldn't be bothered to wait or help, just honking their horns and shouting at her ...

I sat with her as my husband turned her car around, got her back into the car and driving back down the hill ... heckled by the onlookers... bunch of bastids ...

Sometimes shit just happens ...

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

cooltide said:
I'd get that out with a potting trowel and some zippy ties. Bleedin southerners

Ha ha wish I could like that twice

Bobsticle · Dec 30, 2017

I'm afraid if I had have turned out for this one I wouldnt have even got far enough to meet the owner. Id have turned back well before that track.
Youd be bonkers for even attempting a rescue on such a piece of old crap off piste. Dunt stop me admiring your persistence for getting there though and trying

At the end of the day no body sends anyone to a rescue. The known info is passed on to 'registered' members in that area and we decide if we want to go and have a peek. If its accessible we then decide if we want a crack at it or just give the owner a lift somewhere.

Well done all. The OP should be ashamed of himself.

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

Bobsticle said:
I'm afraid if I had have turned out for this one I wouldnt have even got far enough to meet the owner. Id have turned back well before that track.
Youd be bonkers for even attempting a rescue on such a piece of old crap off piste. Dunt stop me admiring your persistence for getting there though and trying
At the end of the day no body sends anyone to a rescue. The known info is passed on to 'registered' members in that area and we decide if we want to go and have a peek. If its accessible we then decide if we want a crack at it or just give the owner a lift somewhere.

Well done all. The OP should be ashamed of himself.

Yer double decker woulda got stuck on the first cattle grid yer dafty

Iancorky · Dec 30, 2017

Bobsticle said:
The OP should be ashamed of himself.

@tsodilo any comment re this thread?

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

Iancorky said:
@tsodilo any comment re this thread?

Internet gets switched off in HMP Cardiff at 2100.

Bobsticle · Dec 30, 2017

doriz said:
Yer double decker woulda got stuck on the first cattle grid yer dafty

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

Bobsticle said:

Argh the famous Merkin short bus

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

doriz said:
Ha ha wish I could like that twice

Or just your bare feet and a worn out 15mm spanner

blackstrat · Dec 31, 2017

Oooh its not insured, it’s not a landrover, it’s not a regular contributor, it’s not a byway, waaaaaa mummmmmeeeeee

AdamD1 · Dec 31, 2017

Surprises me this has gone this far, if there was no risk to life and it was as sketchy as it was the right thing to do is ensure the person is safe and let the car be their issue in my opinion. I am registered but have no recovery experience, it’s not worth putting yourself and your vehicle at risk if there’s no need to.

Fair play for giving it a go of course, but for next time the lesson to be learned is to get some more info and definitely pictures up front and not take a chance if there is no need to. There is a lot to be said for the decency of a person to want to help someone they don’t for no reward, restores a little faith in society but always ensure you are looking after number one.

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 31, 2017

Please will everybody read posts 1-24.
Suggestions about what could be done differently.

Are you saying we should never recover vehicles any more?

Iancorky · Dec 31, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
Please will everybody read posts 1-24.
Suggestions about what could be done differently.

Are you saying we should never recover vehicles any more?

Hindsight Police are always the most knowledgeable, thought everybody knew that

flat · Dec 31, 2017

Admittedly I haven’t ever had to help someone through LZIR but when I said I could in my local area, in my head, it was to help forum members with land rovers (even new or newish ones) rather than one post wonders that don’t own a LR product - but then I would be unlikely to turn out for those people anyway - if they and their lives were ‘at risk’ then it’s a job for the police/recovery people - I am strictly a rank amateur.

I have met a few people off here and a couple have been able to help them or they have helped me mechanically.

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