nobber · Oct 16, 2020

I take it we didnt save it then?

kermit_rr · Oct 16, 2020

nobber said:
I take it we didnt save it then?

The defender petition?

nobber · Oct 16, 2020

kermit_rr said:
The defender petition?

I dunno.

tottot · Oct 27, 2020

The only thing saved is the name.

Muppetdaze · Nov 23, 2020

roll on the grenadier

Hippo · Nov 28, 2020

Tratter production returns:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55008763

marksman · Nov 28, 2020

Saw a new "defender" today passing on opposite carriageway, didn't realise until I was passed it, just looks like another generic landrover offering now in my opinion

neilly · Nov 28, 2020

Hippo said:
Tratter production returns:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55008763

Just the shape, the vehicle is completely different underneath.

Cheers

Hippo · Nov 28, 2020

neilly said:
Just the shape, the vehicle is completely different underneath.

Cheers

Freelander underneath

lightning · Dec 1, 2020

lt's also a barely believable £200,000 which is out of reach for 99.9% of people who would want to buy something like that.

What on earth are they thinking at £200,000? Who will buy one?

Landyfox · Jan 14, 2021

Whatever happened to the Santana ‘Defender’? They look very much like the INEOS Grenadier.

doriz · Jan 14, 2021

Landyfox said:
Whatever happened to the Santana ‘Defender’? They look very much like the INEOS Grenadier.

The Aussies bought them all

Landyfox · Jan 14, 2021

doriz said:
The Aussies bought them all

Tbf, I thought the front ends were ugly.

doriz · Jan 14, 2021

Landyfox said:
Tbf, I thought the front ends were ugly.

I do like the Aussie camo, you don’t notice the ugliness as much.

lightning · Jan 15, 2021

Santana closed down in 2011 after its partnership with Suzuki ended.

They eventually stopped making their version of the Land Rover in 1994, after the partnership with Land Rover ended in 1990.

lightning · Jan 15, 2021

Neither of the alternative Land Rovers (lneos, Santana) look quite as good as the original in my opinion
Although the lneos is a good effort.

The trouble is, it's difficult to improve on perfection.

JimS · Jan 15, 2021

lightning said:
Neither of the alternative Land Rovers (lneos, Santana) look quite as good as the original in my opinion
Although the lneos is a good effort.

The trouble is, it's difficult to improve on perfection.

There wasn't anything on the old Defender that wasn't there for a functional reason (apart from the seals), which makes the design iconic.
The Ineos has fake alpine windows and unnecessarily twee rear lights so points deducted for that
And as for the new Defender, all botox and bling.

lightning · Jan 15, 2021

The handbook for our Defender 300tdi described the box behind the bulkhead and associated controls as a "heater"
It was one of the few un necessary features on the vehicle, as it appeared to serve no useful purpose other than transmitting engine noise into the cab.

Andy J · Jan 15, 2021

trax said:
yeah, how's that work?

isn't the defender a labor-intensive production line and apart from emissions, the safety features aren't good enough for other world markets.

how could there have been a problem with the emissions they were running the same engine as the Transit Van and they're still being produced it was all do to cost of building them.

Landyfox · Jan 16, 2021

lightning said:
Neither of the alternative Land Rovers (lneos, Santana) look quite as good as the original in my opinion
Although the lneos is a good effort.

The trouble is, it's difficult to improve on perfection.

I couldn’t agree more.

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