David L. Moffitt wrote:
> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of days
>>>>>>>> and have found the conversations both interesting and
>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
>>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you want
>>>>>>>>> in education is independent individuals!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The last
>>>>>>>> thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put him/her
>>>>>>>> into a situation where they were expected to follow the flock
>>>>>>>> and stay at the same level as those around them. I know
>>>>>>>> uniformity takes away individuality, but isn't it individuals
>>>>>>>> with independent thought that create and discover?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the mass
>>>>>>>> mentality idea and look what it got them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as we
>>>>>>> all know they want socialism to control our lives and country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You guys kill me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must be a
>>>>>> salemans dream!
>>>>>
>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like you
>>>>> just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Julian.
>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
>>>>
>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
>>>>
>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
>>>>
>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
>>>> independent thought!
>>>
>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
>>>
>>
>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
>
> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
>
I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
(nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of the
economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a member of the
Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and tell me exactly where
this right wing, politically active member of a right wing political party
espoused socialism except in an ironic sense followed by and exclamation
mark.

I await your wisdom with baited breath.

--
Julian.
----------
General Melchett from Blackadder describing
his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."

"Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: >>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: >>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: >>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: >>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: >>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
: >>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
: >>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of days
: >>>>>>>> and have found the conversations both interesting and
: >>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
: >>>>>>>> statement.
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
: >>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you want
: >>>>>>>>> in education is independent individuals!
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The last
: >>>>>>>> thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put him/her
: >>>>>>>> into a situation where they were expected to follow the flock
: >>>>>>>> and stay at the same level as those around them. I know
: >>>>>>>> uniformity takes away individuality, but isn't it individuals
: >>>>>>>> with independent thought that create and discover?
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the mass
: >>>>>>>> mentality idea and look what it got them.
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as we
: >>>>>>> all know they want socialism to control our lives and country.
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> You guys kill me!
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must be a
: >>>>>> salemans dream!
: >>>>>
: >>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like you
: >>>>> just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
: >>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> --
: >>>>>> Julian.
: >>>>>> ----------
: >>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
: >>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
: >>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
: >>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
: >>>>
: >>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
: >>>>
: >>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
: >>>>
: >>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
: >>>> independent thought!
: >>>
: >>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
: >>>
: >>
: >> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
: >> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
: >
: > %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
: >
: I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
: (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of the
: economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a member of the
: Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and tell me exactly where
: this right wing, politically active member of a right wing political party
: espoused socialism except in an ironic sense followed by and exclamation
: mark.
:
: I await your wisdom with baited breath.

%%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )

:
: --
: Julian.
: ----------
: General Melchett from Blackadder describing
: his regiments coat of arms:
: ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
: of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
:
:

David L. Moffitt wrote:
> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
>>>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of
>>>>>>>>>> days and have found the conversations both interesting and
>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
>>>>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
>>>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you want
>>>>>>>>>>> in education is independent individuals!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The last
>>>>>>>>>> thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put him/her
>>>>>>>>>> into a situation where they were expected to follow the flock
>>>>>>>>>> and stay at the same level as those around them. I know
>>>>>>>>>> uniformity takes away individuality, but isn't it individuals
>>>>>>>>>> with independent thought that create and discover?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the
>>>>>>>>>> mass mentality idea and look what it got them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as we
>>>>>>>>> all know they want socialism to control our lives and country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You guys kill me!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must be a
>>>>>>>> salemans dream!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like you
>>>>>>> just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Julian.
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
>>>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
>>>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
>>>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
>>>>>> independent thought!
>>>>>
>>>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
>>>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
>>>
>>> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
>>>
>> I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
>> (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of
>> the economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a
>> member of the Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and
>> tell me exactly where this right wing, politically active member of
>> a right wing political party espoused socialism except in an ironic
>> sense followed by and exclamation mark.
>>
>> I await your wisdom with baited breath.
>
> %%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )
>
>>
>> --
>> Julian.
>> ----------
>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
>> his regiments coat of arms:
>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."

Well thats not me then - you must have your wires crossed.

--
Julian.
----------
General Melchett from Blackadder describing
his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."

According to your spelling of the word "enviromentalist", you don't
seem to be educated. Please change your e-mail address to:
uneducated_republican@yahoo.com

educated_republican@yahoo.com (Educated Republican) wrote in message news:<616e1c.0307060659.1bc69c85@posting.google.com>...
> I love my V-10 sittin way up high. The power is unimagined and I feel
> heroic singing to Lee Greenwood. I like to push the guy ahead in the
> liberal econobox. Even more when I have my headlights on blinding his
> mirrors! God made this country great so we could have power on demand
> because its all about us. God told Rush that only HE can change
> warming so my little output don't matter. If the enviros ban big
> motors we will be robbed of our power rights so write to your
> repesentatives or just crush the next Subaru you see!
>
> Steve

"Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
news:VnZPa.88325$%L.33214@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: >>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: >>> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: >>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: >>>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: >>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: >>>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: >>>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
: >>>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
: >>>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of
: >>>>>>>>>> days and have found the conversations both interesting and
: >>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
: >>>>>>>>>> statement.
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
: >>>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you want
: >>>>>>>>>>> in education is independent individuals!
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The last
: >>>>>>>>>> thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put him/her
: >>>>>>>>>> into a situation where they were expected to follow the flock
: >>>>>>>>>> and stay at the same level as those around them. I know
: >>>>>>>>>> uniformity takes away individuality, but isn't it individuals
: >>>>>>>>>> with independent thought that create and discover?
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the
: >>>>>>>>>> mass mentality idea and look what it got them.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as we
: >>>>>>>>> all know they want socialism to control our lives and country.
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>> You guys kill me!
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must be a
: >>>>>>>> salemans dream!
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like you
: >>>>>>> just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>> Julian.
: >>>>>>>> ----------
: >>>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
: >>>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
: >>>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
: >>>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
: >>>>>> independent thought!
: >>>>>
: >>>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
: >>>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
: >>>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
: >>>
: >>> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
: >>>
: >> I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
: >> (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of
: >> the economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a
: >> member of the Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and
: >> tell me exactly where this right wing, politically active member of
: >> a right wing political party espoused socialism except in an ironic
: >> sense followed by and exclamation mark.
: >>
: >> I await your wisdom with baited breath.
: >
: > %%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )
: >
: >>
: >> --
: >> Julian.
: >> ----------
: >> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
: >> his regiments coat of arms:
: >> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
: >> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
:
: Well thats not me then - you must have your wires crossed.

%%%% Apparently. As a wire gets longer and >>> : : : start missing you can
lose track of who said what in a thread!!

:
: --
: Julian.
: ----------
: General Melchett from Blackadder describing
: his regiments coat of arms:
: ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
: of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
:
:

David L. Moffitt wrote:
> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> news:VnZPa.88325$%L.33214@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>> days and have found the conversations both interesting and
>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
>>>>>>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want in education is independent individuals!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> last thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put
>>>>>>>>>>>> him/her into a situation where they were expected to
>>>>>>>>>>>> follow the flock and stay at the same level as those
>>>>>>>>>>>> around them. I know uniformity takes away individuality,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but isn't it individuals with independent thought that
>>>>>>>>>>>> create and discover?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mass mentality idea and look what it got them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as
>>>>>>>>>>> we all know they want socialism to control our lives and
>>>>>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You guys kill me!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must
>>>>>>>>>> be a salemans dream!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like
>>>>>>>>> you just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Julian.
>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
>>>>>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
>>>>>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
>>>>>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
>>>>>>>> independent thought!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
>>>>>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
>>>>>
>>>>> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
>>>> (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of
>>>> the economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a
>>>> member of the Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and
>>>> tell me exactly where this right wing, politically active member of
>>>> a right wing political party espoused socialism except in an ironic
>>>> sense followed by and exclamation mark.
>>>>
>>>> I await your wisdom with baited breath.
>>>
>>> %%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Julian.
>>>> ----------
>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
>>
>> Well thats not me then - you must have your wires crossed.
>
> %%%% Apparently. As a wire gets longer and >>> : : : start missing
> you can lose track of who said what in a thread!!
>

Splendid - wouldn't want to be thought of as a socialist!

--
Julian.
----------
General Melchett from Blackadder describing
his regiments coat of arms:
". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."

"totojepast" <totojepast@seznam.cz> wrote in message
news:c4f155b6.0307121308.47cee9c7@posting.google.com...
> According to your spelling of the word "enviromentalist", you don't
> seem to be educated. Please change your e-mail address to:
> uneducated_republican@yahoo.com

Much like the Hitler rule, when you are down to criticizing spelling, you've
truly run out of ideas.

> educated_republican@yahoo.com (Educated Republican) wrote in message
news:<616e1c.0307060659.1bc69c85@posting.google.com>...
> > I love my V-10 sittin way up high. The power is unimagined and I feel
> > heroic singing to Lee Greenwood. I like to push the guy ahead in the
> > liberal econobox. Even more when I have my headlights on blinding his
> > mirrors! God made this country great so we could have power on demand
> > because its all about us. God told Rush that only HE can change
> > warming so my little output don't matter. If the enviros ban big
> > motors we will be robbed of our power rights so write to your
> > repesentatives or just crush the next Subaru you see!
> >
> > Steve

"Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
news:cp%Pa.88339$%L.7573@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> > news:VnZPa.88325$%L.33214@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >>>>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> days and have found the conversations both interesting and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> want in education is independent individuals!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>> last thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put
> >>>>>>>>>>>> him/her into a situation where they were expected to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> follow the flock and stay at the same level as those
> >>>>>>>>>>>> around them. I know uniformity takes away individuality,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but isn't it individuals with independent thought that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> create and discover?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mass mentality idea and look what it got them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as
> >>>>>>>>>>> we all know they want socialism to control our lives and
> >>>>>>>>>>> country.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You guys kill me!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must
> >>>>>>>>>> be a salemans dream!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like
> >>>>>>>>> you just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Julian.
> >>>>>>>>>> ----------
> >>>>>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
> >>>>>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
> >>>>>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
> >>>>>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
> >>>>>>>> independent thought!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
> >>>>>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
> >>>>>
> >>>> I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
> >>>> (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of
> >>>> the economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a
> >>>> member of the Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and
> >>>> tell me exactly where this right wing, politically active member of
> >>>> a right wing political party espoused socialism except in an ironic
> >>>> sense followed by and exclamation mark.
> >>>>
> >>>> I await your wisdom with baited breath.
> >>>
> >>> %%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Julian.
> >>>> ----------
> >>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
> >>>> his regiments coat of arms:
> >>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
> >>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
> >>
> >> Well thats not me then - you must have your wires crossed.
> >
> > %%%% Apparently. As a wire gets longer and >>> : : : start missing
> > you can lose track of who said what in a thread!!
> >
>
> Splendid - wouldn't want to be thought of as a socialist!
>

And David admitted to a mistake, so I'm assuming he is a fellow conservative

"cC" <dieSPAMbots@spam.spam> wrote in message
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:
: "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: news:cp%Pa.88339$%L.7573@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: > David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > > news:VnZPa.88325$%L.33214@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: > >> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > >>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > >>> news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: > >>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > >>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > >>>>> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: > >>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > >>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > >>>>>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: > >>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > >>>>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
: > >>>>>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
: > >>>>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
: > >>>>>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
: > >>>>>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> days and have found the conversations both interesting and
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> statement.
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> want in education is independent individuals!
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> last thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> him/her into a situation where they were expected to
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> follow the flock and stay at the same level as those
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> around them. I know uniformity takes away individuality,
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> but isn't it individuals with independent thought that
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> create and discover?
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the
: > >>>>>>>>>>>> mass mentality idea and look what it got them.
: > >>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as
: > >>>>>>>>>>> we all know they want socialism to control our lives and
: > >>>>>>>>>>> country.
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>> You guys kill me!
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must
: > >>>>>>>>>> be a salemans dream!
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like
: > >>>>>>>>> you just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>> --
: > >>>>>>>>>> Julian.
: > >>>>>>>>>> ----------
: > >>>>>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
: > >>>>>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
: > >>>>>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
: > >>>>>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
: > >>>>>>>> independent thought!
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
: > >>>>>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
: > >>>>>
: > >>>>> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
: > >>>>>
: > >>>> I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
: > >>>> (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of
: > >>>> the economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a
: > >>>> member of the Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and
: > >>>> tell me exactly where this right wing, politically active member of
: > >>>> a right wing political party espoused socialism except in an ironic
: > >>>> sense followed by and exclamation mark.
: > >>>>
: > >>>> I await your wisdom with baited breath.
: > >>>
: > >>> %%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )
: > >>>
: > >>>>
: > >>>> --
: > >>>> Julian.
: > >>>> ----------
: > >>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
: > >>>> his regiments coat of arms:
: > >>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
: > >>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
: > >>
: > >> Well thats not me then - you must have your wires crossed.
: > >
: > > %%%% Apparently. As a wire gets longer and >>> : : : start missing
: > > you can lose track of who said what in a thread!!
: > >
: >
: > Splendid - wouldn't want to be thought of as a socialist!
: >
:
: And David admitted to a mistake, so I'm assuming he is a fellow
conservative
:

%%%% AMEN!! BROTHERS AND SISTERS! AH SAID AMEN!!!!

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:42:30 GMT, "David L. Moffitt"
<moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:

>
>"cC" <dieSPAMbots@spam.spam> wrote in message
>news:hC1Qa.2562$3G5.966@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
>:
>: "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>: news:cp%Pa.88339$%L.7573@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>: > David L. Moffitt wrote:
>: > > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>: > > news:VnZPa.88325$%L.33214@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>: > >> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>: > >>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>: > >>> news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>: > >>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>: > >>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>: > >>>>> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>: > >>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>: > >>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>: > >>>>>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>: > >>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>: > >>>>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
>: > >>>>>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
>: > >>>>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
>: > >>>>>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
>: > >>>>>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple of
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> days and have found the conversations both interesting and
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> statement.
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> want in education is independent individuals!
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> last thing that I would want for a gifted child is to put
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> him/her into a situation where they were expected to
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> follow the flock and stay at the same level as those
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> around them. I know uniformity takes away individuality,
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> but isn't it individuals with independent thought that
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> create and discover?
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> mass mentality idea and look what it got them.
>: > >>>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and as
>: > >>>>>>>>>>> we all know they want socialism to control our lives and
>: > >>>>>>>>>>> country.
>: > >>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>> You guys kill me!
>: > >>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must
>: > >>>>>>>>>> be a salemans dream!
>: > >>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like
>: > >>>>>>>>> you just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
>: > >>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>>>> --
>: > >>>>>>>>>> Julian.
>: > >>>>>>>>>> ----------
>: > >>>>>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
>: > >>>>>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
>: > >>>>>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
>: > >>>>>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
>: > >>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
>: > >>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
>: > >>>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
>: > >>>>>>>> independent thought!
>: > >>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
>: > >>>>>>>
>: > >>>>>>
>: > >>>>>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said was
>: > >>>>>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
>: > >>>>>
>: > >>>>> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
>: > >>>>>
>: > >>>> I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
>: > >>>> (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control of
>: > >>>> the economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a
>: > >>>> member of the Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and
>: > >>>> tell me exactly where this right wing, politically active member of
>: > >>>> a right wing political party espoused socialism except in an ironic
>: > >>>> sense followed by and exclamation mark.
>: > >>>>
>: > >>>> I await your wisdom with baited breath.
>: > >>>
>: > >>> %%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )
>: > >>>
>: > >>>>
>: > >>>> --
>: > >>>> Julian.
>: > >>>> ----------
>: > >>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
>: > >>>> his regiments coat of arms:
>: > >>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
>: > >>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
>: > >>
>: > >> Well thats not me then - you must have your wires crossed.
>: > >
>: > > %%%% Apparently. As a wire gets longer and >>> : : : start missing
>: > > you can lose track of who said what in a thread!!
>: > >
>: >
>: > Splendid - wouldn't want to be thought of as a socialist!
>: >
>:
>: And David admitted to a mistake, so I'm assuming he is a fellow
>conservative
>:
>
>%%%% AMEN!! BROTHERS AND SISTERS! AH SAID AMEN!!!!
>

Moffitt is a pathological lying **** bag. That proves he is a
conservative.





-----
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"adarwinian" <adarwinian@REMOVEoutgun.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:42:30 GMT, "David L. Moffitt"
> <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"cC" <dieSPAMbots@spam.spam> wrote in message
> >news:hC1Qa.2562$3G5.966@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> >:
> >: "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >: news:cp%Pa.88339$%L.7573@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >: > David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >: > > "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >: > > news:VnZPa.88325$%L.33214@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >: > >> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >: > >>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >: > >>> news:5oXPa.88277$%L.22512@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >: > >>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >: > >>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >: > >>>>> news:x3HPa.88031$%L.21103@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >: > >>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >: > >>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >: > >>>>>>> news:niyPa.86325$%L.44700@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >: > >>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >: > >>>>>>>>> "Exit" <exit@nomore.com> wrote in message
> >: > >>>>>>>>> news:3juPa.85705$%L.51918@news-lhr.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> David L. Moffitt wrote:
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>> "350_C" <me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote in message
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>> news:WFoPa.6506$o86.488@news1.central.cox.net...
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have been reading this string for the last couple
of
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> days and have found the conversations both interesting
and
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable although I must take exception with this
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> statement.
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think it's the lack of school uniforms in
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> American schools that causes problems - last thing you
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> want in education is independent individuals!
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> last thing that I would want for a gifted child is to
put
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> him/her into a situation where they were expected to
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> follow the flock and stay at the same level as those
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> around them. I know uniformity takes away individuality,
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> but isn't it individuals with independent thought that
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> create and discover?
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried
the
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>> mass mentality idea and look what it got them.
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>> %%%% That opinion was posted by a well known lib/dem and
as
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>> we all know they want socialism to control our lives and
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>> country.
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> You guys kill me!
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> Complete inability to spot an oxymoronic comment! You must
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> be a salemans dream!
> >: > >>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>> %%%% Sorry but your propaqganda didn't work. Socialist like
> >: > >>>>>>>>> you just want to make us thoughtless drones for the State.
> >: > >>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> --
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> Julian.
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> ----------
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> his regiments coat of arms:
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
> >: > >>>>>>>>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
> >: > >>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>> Hahaha - socialist! You guys get dumber and dumber!
> >: > >>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>> So dumb you can't even tell when you are being made fun of!
> >: > >>>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>>> You respond just like a pre-programmed drone incapable of
> >: > >>>>>>>> independent thought!
> >: > >>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>> %%%% Spoke the socialist drone.
> >: > >>>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>>
> >: > >>>>>> Tell me oh great intellectual one - which bit of what i said
was
> >: > >>>>>> socialist, or is thinking beyond your remit?
> >: > >>>>>
> >: > >>>>> %%%% Re-read your posts and become enlightened!
> >: > >>>>>
> >: > >>>> I'm afraid that won't work old boy - my definition of socialism
> >: > >>>> (nationalisation of industries, redist. of wealth, state control
of
> >: > >>>> the economy etc) are all things I actively campaign against as a
> >: > >>>> member of the Conservative party, so you'll have help me out and
> >: > >>>> tell me exactly where this right wing, politically active member
of
> >: > >>>> a right wing political party espoused socialism except in an
ironic
> >: > >>>> sense followed by and exclamation mark.
> >: > >>>>
> >: > >>>> I await your wisdom with baited breath.
> >: > >>>
> >: > >>> %%%% I am referring to the lib/dem/socialist.... )
> >: > >>>
> >: > >>>>
> >: > >>>> --
> >: > >>>> Julian.
> >: > >>>> ----------
> >: > >>>> General Melchett from Blackadder describing
> >: > >>>> his regiments coat of arms:
> >: > >>>> ". . . .two dead Frenchmen atop a pile
> >: > >>>> of dead Frenchmen. . . . ."
> >: > >>
> >: > >> Well thats not me then - you must have your wires crossed.
> >: > >
> >: > > %%%% Apparently. As a wire gets longer and >>> : : : start missing
> >: > > you can lose track of who said what in a thread!!
> >: > >
> >: >
> >: > Splendid - wouldn't want to be thought of as a socialist!
> >: >
> >:
> >: And David admitted to a mistake, so I'm assuming he is a fellow
> >conservative
> >:
> >
> >%%%% AMEN!! BROTHERS AND SISTERS! AH SAID AMEN!!!!
> >
>
> Moffitt is a pathological lying **** bag. That proves he is a
> conservative.

Attacked by a Liberal as a liar. Yup, that's the lithmus test.

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> "Tbone" <Fatchance@noway.now> wrote in message
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> > "cC" <dieSPAMbots@spam.spam> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Buddy Ebsen" <dead@hillbilly.com> wrote in message
> > > news:TmpPa.1628$Bp2.345@fed1read07...
> > > >
> > > > "Prowler99" <camcopa2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:w1oPa.2408$5o5.1037968@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:MalOa.2384$7e.1636@fed1read07...
> > > > > > of course they do; they all live in China. I love those cheep
> cheesy
> > > > > Chinese made amerikan
> > > > > > flags....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > > > Lasy year my son made it to a state championship wrestling
> > competition
> > > here
> > > > > in Pa. It was held in the Johnstown War Memorial. The War Memorial
> > > Stadium
> > > > > was built as a shrine to honor those veterans that served in WWII
> and
> > > Korea,
> > > > > and old war posters, photos, and banners abound in the place.
> > > > > As we were going to our seats, a stadium employee was handing out
> > > little
> > > > > plastic American flags so that everyone could wave them during the
> > > National
> > > > > Anthem. As I was sitting there I was examining the flag, and sure
> > > enough, it
> > > > > said "Made in China" right on the border!
> > > > > Considering where we were, and why the grand old place was built,
I
> > > just
> > > > > couldn't believe they would hand out "Chinese" flags. I threw mine
> in
> > > the
> > > > > trash on the way out.
> > > > > Randy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jesus I was just being sarcastic! You mean it's true? Then again
> NOTHING
> > > is made here
> > > > anymore NOTHING! It's sickening!
> > >
> > > And do you know why a whole lot less is made in America nowadays?
> > >
> >
> > Yea, Greed, and on both sides of the fence. First, you have the
American
> > business men that believe that high profits are the end to all things.
It
> > doesn't matter that the company is already making good money, if more
can
> be
> > made by any means, it is done and the easier the better. Then on the
> other
> > side, you have the typical American citizen who has this compulsive need
> to
> > live beyond their means and always have bigger and better whether they
> need
> > it or not. Hell, the growing number of unneeded SUV's and the fact that
> > nobody builds smaller houses anymore attest to that. They also usually
> buy
> > the lowest cost item and have no regard as to where it was made. Now
when
> > you put these two things together, you get what we have now. People
> buying
> > things totally on the price and companies that in order to maintain
> profits,
> > stay competitive, and satisfy their stockholders, are moving production
> and
> > outsourcing labor to foreign countries (easiest way to cut costs) and
that
> > is not a good thing.
> >
> > What both sides fail to see is that they are killing themselves and each
> > other. The customers are hurting the American companies by buying
foreign
> > made stuff for nothing more than a dollar or two less than the American
> one
> > and by doing so, reducing the need for American workers. The companies,
> by
> > outsourcing everything to save money the easy way, are eliminating
needed
> > jobs and are in effect eliminating their own customer base. The
economic
> > boom of a few years ago shows that American companies employing American
> > workers increase the customer base and Americans buying American
products
> > when they can creates more good paying jobs, but then again, people may
> have
> > to give up a few things here and there and we can't have that now, can
we.
> >
>
> I would have put in terms of competitive forces, but greed. And I would
have
> added a hug section on the Governments and Unions role in driving up the
> costs of making products in America, creating the almost insurmountable
> difference in the cost of home vs. foreign manufacture. But otherwise,
that
> was pretty much were I was headed.
>
> No speeches for me today, I guess
>

Competitive forces are at best, nothing more than another motivational
force. As for the Governments and Union roles in driving up the costs, lets
also remember that they are a symptom of a higher problem, not the direct
cause.

--
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving

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> >
> > "Tbone" <Fatchance@noway.now> wrote in message
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> > > "cC" <dieSPAMbots@spam.spam> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Buddy Ebsen" <dead@hillbilly.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:TmpPa.1628$Bp2.345@fed1read07...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Prowler99" <camcopa2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:w1oPa.2408$5o5.1037968@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:MalOa.2384$7e.1636@fed1read07...
> > > > > > > of course they do; they all live in China. I love those cheep
> > cheesy
> > > > > > Chinese made amerikan
> > > > > > > flags....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > John,
> > > > > > Lasy year my son made it to a state championship wrestling
> > > competition
> > > > here
> > > > > > in Pa. It was held in the Johnstown War Memorial. The War
Memorial
> > > > Stadium
> > > > > > was built as a shrine to honor those veterans that served in
WWII
> > and
> > > > Korea,
> > > > > > and old war posters, photos, and banners abound in the place.
> > > > > > As we were going to our seats, a stadium employee was handing
out
> > > > little
> > > > > > plastic American flags so that everyone could wave them during
the
> > > > National
> > > > > > Anthem. As I was sitting there I was examining the flag, and
sure
> > > > enough, it
> > > > > > said "Made in China" right on the border!
> > > > > > Considering where we were, and why the grand old place was
built,
> I
> > > > just
> > > > > > couldn't believe they would hand out "Chinese" flags. I threw
mine
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > trash on the way out.
> > > > > > Randy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jesus I was just being sarcastic! You mean it's true? Then again
> > NOTHING
> > > > is made here
> > > > > anymore NOTHING! It's sickening!
> > > >
> > > > And do you know why a whole lot less is made in America nowadays?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yea, Greed, and on both sides of the fence. First, you have the
> American
> > > business men that believe that high profits are the end to all things.
> It
> > > doesn't matter that the company is already making good money, if more
> can
> > be
> > > made by any means, it is done and the easier the better. Then on the
> > other
> > > side, you have the typical American citizen who has this compulsive
need
> > to
> > > live beyond their means and always have bigger and better whether they
> > need
> > > it or not. Hell, the growing number of unneeded SUV's and the fact
that
> > > nobody builds smaller houses anymore attest to that. They also
usually
> > buy
> > > the lowest cost item and have no regard as to where it was made. Now
> when
> > > you put these two things together, you get what we have now. People
> > buying
> > > things totally on the price and companies that in order to maintain
> > profits,
> > > stay competitive, and satisfy their stockholders, are moving
production
> > and
> > > outsourcing labor to foreign countries (easiest way to cut costs) and
> that
> > > is not a good thing.
> > >
> > > What both sides fail to see is that they are killing themselves and
each
> > > other. The customers are hurting the American companies by buying
> foreign
> > > made stuff for nothing more than a dollar or two less than the
American
> > one
> > > and by doing so, reducing the need for American workers. The
companies,
> > by
> > > outsourcing everything to save money the easy way, are eliminating
> needed
> > > jobs and are in effect eliminating their own customer base. The
> economic
> > > boom of a few years ago shows that American companies employing
American
> > > workers increase the customer base and Americans buying American
> products
> > > when they can creates more good paying jobs, but then again, people
may
> > have
> > > to give up a few things here and there and we can't have that now, can
> we.
> > >
> >
> > I would have put in terms of competitive forces, but greed. And I would
> have
> > added a hug section on the Governments and Unions role in driving up the
> > costs of making products in America, creating the almost insurmountable
> > difference in the cost of home vs. foreign manufacture. But otherwise,
> that
> > was pretty much were I was headed.
> >
> > No speeches for me today, I guess
> >
>
> Competitive forces are at best, nothing more than another motivational
> force. As for the Governments and Union roles in driving up the costs,
lets
> also remember that they are a symptom of a higher problem, not the direct
> cause.

I would agree with you. I am curious what *you* think this higher problem
is.

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> > > > >
> > > > > "Buddy Ebsen" <dead@hillbilly.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:TmpPa.1628$Bp2.345@fed1read07...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Prowler99" <camcopa2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:w1oPa.2408$5o5.1037968@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "John Hinckley" <Aiming@atBush.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:MalOa.2384$7e.1636@fed1read07...
> > > > > > > > of course they do; they all live in China. I love those
cheep
> > > cheesy
> > > > > > > Chinese made amerikan
> > > > > > > > flags....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John,
> > > > > > > Lasy year my son made it to a state championship wrestling
> > > > competition
> > > > > here
> > > > > > > in Pa. It was held in the Johnstown War Memorial. The War
> Memorial
> > > > > Stadium
> > > > > > > was built as a shrine to honor those veterans that served in
> WWII
> > > and
> > > > > Korea,
> > > > > > > and old war posters, photos, and banners abound in the place.
> > > > > > > As we were going to our seats, a stadium employee was handing
> out
> > > > > little
> > > > > > > plastic American flags so that everyone could wave them during
> the
> > > > > National
> > > > > > > Anthem. As I was sitting there I was examining the flag, and
> sure
> > > > > enough, it
> > > > > > > said "Made in China" right on the border!
> > > > > > > Considering where we were, and why the grand old place was
> built,
> > I
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > couldn't believe they would hand out "Chinese" flags. I threw
> mine
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > trash on the way out.
> > > > > > > Randy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesus I was just being sarcastic! You mean it's true? Then again
> > > NOTHING
> > > > > is made here
> > > > > > anymore NOTHING! It's sickening!
> > > > >
> > > > > And do you know why a whole lot less is made in America nowadays?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yea, Greed, and on both sides of the fence. First, you have the
> > American
> > > > business men that believe that high profits are the end to all
things.
> > It
> > > > doesn't matter that the company is already making good money, if
more
> > can
> > > be
> > > > made by any means, it is done and the easier the better. Then on
the
> > > other
> > > > side, you have the typical American citizen who has this compulsive
> need
> > > to
> > > > live beyond their means and always have bigger and better whether
they
> > > need
> > > > it or not. Hell, the growing number of unneeded SUV's and the fact
> that
> > > > nobody builds smaller houses anymore attest to that. They also
> usually
> > > buy
> > > > the lowest cost item and have no regard as to where it was made.
Now
> > when
> > > > you put these two things together, you get what we have now. People
> > > buying
> > > > things totally on the price and companies that in order to maintain
> > > profits,
> > > > stay competitive, and satisfy their stockholders, are moving
> production
> > > and
> > > > outsourcing labor to foreign countries (easiest way to cut costs)
and
> > that
> > > > is not a good thing.
> > > >
> > > > What both sides fail to see is that they are killing themselves and
> each
> > > > other. The customers are hurting the American companies by buying
> > foreign
> > > > made stuff for nothing more than a dollar or two less than the
> American
> > > one
> > > > and by doing so, reducing the need for American workers. The
> companies,
> > > by
> > > > outsourcing everything to save money the easy way, are eliminating
> > needed
> > > > jobs and are in effect eliminating their own customer base. The
> > economic
> > > > boom of a few years ago shows that American companies employing
> American
> > > > workers increase the customer base and Americans buying American
> > products
> > > > when they can creates more good paying jobs, but then again, people
> may
> > > have
> > > > to give up a few things here and there and we can't have that now,
can
> > we.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I would have put in terms of competitive forces, but greed. And I
would
> > have
> > > added a hug section on the Governments and Unions role in driving up
the
> > > costs of making products in America, creating the almost
insurmountable
> > > difference in the cost of home vs. foreign manufacture. But otherwise,
> > that
> > > was pretty much were I was headed.
> > >
> > > No speeches for me today, I guess
> > >
> >
> > Competitive forces are at best, nothing more than another motivational
> > force. As for the Governments and Union roles in driving up the costs,
> lets
> > also remember that they are a symptom of a higher problem, not the
direct
> > cause.
>
> I would agree with you. I am curious what *you* think this higher problem
> is.
>

I believe that I already stated that when I mentioned greed of our leaders
(both corporate and governmental) and perhaps I should have added corruption
and a general lack of morals to that as well.

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> >> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The last thing
> >> that I would want for a gifted child is to put him/her into a
> >> situation where they were expected to follow the flock and stay at
> >> the same level as those around them. I know uniformity takes away
> >> individuality, but isn't it individuals with independent thought
> >> that create and discover?
> >>
> >> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the mass
> >> mentality idea and look what it got them.

Free money from the west?
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"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> > >> Independent thought is what leads to creativity. The last thing
> > >> that I would want for a gifted child is to put him/her into a
> > >> situation where they were expected to follow the flock and stay at
> > >> the same level as those around them. I know uniformity takes away
> > >> individuality, but isn't it individuals with independent thought
> > >> that create and discover?
> > >>
> > >> The Soviet Union and other Communist States tried the mass
> > >> mentality idea and look what it got them.
>
> Free money from the west?
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> Free money from the west?


If you look at the intentional hardship and suffering that the people of
those States have had to endure I don't see how you can make such a
simplistic statement.

It's usually cheaper to buy off these dictators (and their military) than to
go to war with them.

Clinton tried it with North Korea by sucking up to China and (allegedly)
allowing them to obtain our missile guidance system technology, but it didn'
t work (Bill was to interested in skirts), so we will probably have to deal
with them (North Korea) in a more forceful manner, as is now happening in
Iraq.

All of this is unfortunate but necessary.

Do you really want us to wait until it becomes inevitable that in order to
disarm these rogue States we have to have a nuclear exchange?

---------------------------------------


********Just being realistic about the situation,

The best defense is a good offense.

This is the rich yuppie talk I HATE! You are no different than the old lady
driving 2 walmart in her hummer. I live in rural Arkansas and what once was
a pristene mountain view in my back yard has in recent years been turned
into a smoggey blur! This filth has been proven to cause cancer and other
lung disorders and it EVERYWHERE. Do you actually use your truck for
hualing a trailer or do you just sit in it feeling like the yuppie you
are? We live in a age where trucks come equiped with gps,tvs,dvds,mp3s,yet
we still power them with the black goo that comes out of the ground! WHY?
GREED and\or stupid idiots who believe everything they are told by the
government! I WANT MY CLEAN AIR BACK so I defunkt from the republican
party and you should too if you know whats good for your children

The "enviros" are not trying to rob you of your "power rights" they are
trying to save the planet,You know the place you live and the place your
kids live. Far more advanced means of making the power you are talking
about is available. But the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies
so they wont invest in new tecnology. The hybrid vehicles are a gimmick,
The only reason they invested in them is because THEY STILL BURN GAS!

Don't you love it when a drunk finds his way to a computer keyboard?!

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4


On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:24:41 -0400, "cantcatchthis" <degrayct@cei.net>
wrote:

>The "enviros" are not trying to rob you of your "power rights" they are
>trying to save the planet,You know the place you live and the place your
>kids live. Far more advanced means of making the power you are talking
>about is available. But the auto makers are in bed with the oil companies
>so they wont invest in new tecnology. The hybrid vehicles are a gimmick,
>The only reason they invested in them is because THEY STILL BURN GAS!

I am not drunk I am MAD!!! My mother died at age 52 from pulminary fibrosis
she caught from smog while living in Chicago!!!! Everyone In my family who
lives in rural areas has lived past 80. Now the smog from other states as
well as my own has foged up the air so bad no one wants to come to my
fishing resort!!!!!!!! The ones who do come constanly ask why they cant
see the mountains like they can in the pics on my web site. The pics were
taken 20 years ago before the smog ruined the view!!!! I WOULD LOVE IT IF
ONLY BUTTHEADS FROM THE CITIES HAD TO CHOKE ON THIS CRAP!!!!!! Cities are
filthy and the people who live there dont even notice the smell of it
because they are so use to it, Then they make stupid remarks at people who
try to point out the obvious!
MIKE
2002 NISSAN FRONTIER
32 mpg and your FORD
wont see anything
but peices of tarmac
my FRONTIER tore up





Don't you love it when a drunk finds his way to a computer keyboard?!

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4


On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:24:41 -0400, "cantcatchthis" <degrayct@cei.net>
wrote:

>The "enviros" are not trying to rob you of your "power rights" they are
>trying to save the planet,You know the place you live and the place your
>kids live. Far more advanced means of making the power you are talking
>about is available. But the auto makers are in bed with the oil
companies
>so they wont invest in new tecnology. The hybrid vehicles are a gimmick,
>The only reason they invested in them is because THEY STILL BURN GAS!