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: "Dr. Zachary Smith" <LostinSpace@BushsBrain.com> wrote in message
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: > : > What both sides fail to see is that they are killing themselves and
: each
: > : > other. The customers are hurting the American companies by buying
: foreign
: > : > made stuff for nothing more than a dollar or two less than the
: American
: > : one
: > : > and by doing so, reducing the need for American workers. The
: companies,
: > : by
: > : > outsourcing everything to save money the easy way, are eliminating
: needed
: > : > jobs and are in effect eliminating their own customer base. The
: economic
: > : > boom of a few years ago shows that American companies employing
: American
: > : > workers increase the customer base and Americans buying American
: products
: > : > when they can creates more good paying jobs, but then again, people
: may
: > : have
: > : > to give up a few things here and there and we can't have that now, can
: we.
: > : >
: > :
: > : I would have put in terms of competitive forces, but greed. And I would
: have
: > : added a hug section on the Governments and Unions role in driving up the
: > : costs of making products in America, creating the almost insurmountable
: > : difference in the cost of home vs. foreign manufacture. But otherwise,
: that
: > : was pretty much were I was headed.
: > :
: > : No speeches for me today, I guess
: >
: >
: > Okay. A truck made completely in the U.S. by a domestic manufacturer costs
: $30,000. The
: > average wage (union) paid to produce this vehicle is $30/ hour . The auto
: manufacturer
: > says "I am not going to pay those illiterate union bastards all that
: money," and moves his
: > plant overseas or to Hecho en Mexico. The labor cost to assemble the same
: $30,000 truck is
: > now $8/hour. But the truck still sells for $30,000 or more. SO who's
: getting phucked in
: > this deal?
: >
: > Select as many as applicable:
: >
: > 1. The auto manufacturer
: > 2. The U.S. union employee
: > 3. The non-union overseas employee
: > 4. The customer
:
: Well let's look at that.
: First I don't accept your assertion, that the price of manufacture wouldn't
: effect the price at market. Possibly if only one company was involved but
: say three automakers are doing this, then competetion comes into play. But
: let's assume that this business-class-envy canard is actually true. Let's
: see:
:
: 1) The Auto Manufacturer got to side step a billion assinine regulations and
: was able to put out a product on time for less money. Since it will still
: have to meet the government product restrictions so it probably the same
: quality product. Not getting screwed here.
:
: 2) The U.S. union employee. Didn't get to make the car. Possibly got laid
: off. Is he screwed by the company or by the union leaders that care more
: about power and their personal wealth, then abotu keeping jobs in America?
: Union working definately gets screwed. I'm not shedding a tear here.
:
: 3) The non-union overseas employee gets a job. Get's to get paid, and buy
: food for his family. If you ask him, he's not going to say he is getting
: screwed. But I bet he'd vote for higher pay for the union worker if he could
:
:
: 4) The customer? He bought a car for $30,000 that he was willing to pay
: $30,000 for. Does he care whether he paid $15,000 extra into union employees
: pockets or into corportate owners pockets (assuming your cannard about
: lowered costs not being reflected in a lower price)? He, might if asked, but
: he isn't, so he's happy and purchased what he thought was fair market value
: (as defined as "what you are willing to pay".) To suggest otehrwise is to
: say he has no choice in the brand of car he buys.
:
Well let's see what's wrong here.
1. Many regulations are asinine but many more protect the environment or the safety of the
worker. No problem there. Send the product to a third world sweatshop. Their environmental
degradations won't reach this country for maybe 40 years and by then many of us will be
dead anyway. The quality of the product is NOT the same. The domestics have slipped
tremendously since making inroads in the 1980's. So the consumer and the U.S. worker both
get screwed.
2. U.S. worker gets laid off. Get rid of the unions. The same organizations that brought
time and a half, 40 hour weeks, vacations, etc. We see you are another sweatshop boss. You
must sleep with King George. U.S. corporate management is the most inefficient and short
sighted of any major industrialized power (which is why we are no longer one of the same).
3. I'm sure the U.S. worker would love to keep making the cars here. There's just
something about trying to make a living and exist on $8 an hour in this country. Of course
the American worker could emulate the overseas worker and live 20 people in a one bedroom
hovel with no indoor plumbing, drive a 35 year old Chevy nova and have no future goals
other than snagging a little snatch tonight.....
4. The customer buys a vehicle with more defects in it than one produced here. A vehicle
which sells for the same price but allows the corrupt and short-sighted American
corporation to pocket a substantial addition profit. SO who wins? The manufacturer.
Everyone else loses.