May I suggest peeps read the welsh thread posts 1-24.
Constructive suggestions about what could have be done differently please.
Constructive suggestions about what could have be done differently please.
GrumpyGel
Well-Known Member
Yes, one has to be realistic and put things in perspective.Finally, a Freelander driver who is not in denial
Only once I have got my Freelander back to 4WD and back to its powers most awesome will I be able to refloat the Titanic and recover all the dead frozen bodies from Everest. I may need to put in a couple of calls to LZIR though for a bit of a tug.
mojofilter
Active Member
Not specifically applicable to this situation, but what about coming up with some sort of disclaimer form members could print off and keep a couple of copy’s in their cars in a poly pocket, handy not just for LZIR but any random time you stop to help someone who may be in a ditch etc.
Something along the lines of...
I .....MHM...... being in charge of the below vehicle, confirm that
I have requested the assistance of .......mojofilter........... and
I am aware that I accept full liability for any damage which
may occur to this vehicle during the recovery process.
Make.....Land Rover.....
Model....Defender........
Reg........AB12 ABC.....
Signed............................. Date............... Location.....................
Not sure what, if any legal standing this would have, but I’m sure it will be someone’s field.
GrumpyGel
Well-Known Member
1) The M5 is nowhere near Swansea.
2) Of the "where the feck are..." post you quoted, 1 had replied to say he couldn't attend and the other hasn't been on LZ for 10 months. JM in his own succinct manner alluded to the fact that people were pressured and I have responded to that in a way I feel fair - but also I think it only fair to say that I feel your wording put undue pressure on people to put themselves in positions that they should not. I do not think that this occurred in this event because Brian had already got into trouble - but worth recognising for future events.
private penguin
Well-Known Member
My understanding was that one vehicle (Brian) initially responded. Then another vehicle attended to rescue Brian. Then another vehicle (or two?) attended later.
Had the OP been truthful from the beginning (or capable of judging the conditions properly) then a team of equipped vehicles could have arranged a convenient time, perhaps yesterday or today when more people are free, perhaps leaving it a few days in the hope the ground would dry out, to effect a proper recovery of the vehicle.
Bobsticle
De Villes Advocaat
You could have popped over and applied wax to the returning crew
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
Sorry for so little input from myself on this thread (I've bin busy) but it's been read and there's been a lot of chat in the background taking on points raised and how best to address them.
A plan is being formed and the advice given to responders will change to help reduce risk and make recovery threads a useful learning resource for others.
Details will be announced soon.
A plan is being formed and the advice given to responders will change to help reduce risk and make recovery threads a useful learning resource for others.
Details will be announced soon.
How's yer head ?
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
I've only had about 1 1/2hrs to spare today but everything is stripped off, head bolts eased off and ready to pull which I'll do tomorrow.
Crackin'
doriz
Well-Known Member
Will it includes high vis jackets and safety spectacles?
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
I'm gonna wear safety sandals while sending texts.
we dont want the responders to be shot .
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doriz
Well-Known Member
we dont want the responders to be shot
Or become confused with Jehovah's Witnesses
I think we are coming from the same place, I work in construction and before I put a 360 to work I would need to do the following: risk assessment for every task the machine would do, this includes separate assessents for each element of work, delivery, moving, actual digging, any lifting etc. The machine would be delivered on a approved lorry, from an approved supplier with a machine to our approval specification. Once arrive the machine would need to be checked for suitability by me. The machine would also be expected to have a daily check (completed daily funny enough) before working. The machine would require a more thorough check as a PDI or weekly check by the hire company as well as the 6 month and yearly certs. The driver would be suitably qualified, CPCS or similar before arrival. This would then be checked by me. The driver would need an induction. Then a task brief and going through the risk assessment. The driver would then have an on site assessent regardless if how qualified he(or she
) is. I usually get them to change buckets and move them about. The quick hitch (getting technical now) would also need to be of an approved type with the operator familiar and trained on it. If lifting again there would be a lift plan written and briefed, risk assessent and inspection of lifting equipment with various responsibilities dished out-lift supervisor, slinger etc. Of course there would also be the daily restart briefing...Once all this is complete then the work can start. This is the environment I'm coming from, not saying it's right but even with that lot in place people get hurt or killed. Obviously we cant match that.
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doriz
Well-Known Member
I think we are coming from the same place, I work in construction and before I put a 360 to work I would need to do the following: risk assessment for every take the machine would do, this includes separate assessents for each element of work, delivery, moving, actual digging, any lifting etc. The machine would be delivered on a approved lorry, from an approved supplier with a machine to our approval specification. Once arrive the machine would need to be checked for suitability by me. The machine would also be expected to have a daily check (completed daily funny enough) before working. The machine would require a more thorough check as a PDI or weekly check by the hire company as well as the 6 month and yearly certs. The driver would be suitably qualified, CPCS or similar before arrival. This would then be checked by me. The driver would need an induction. Then a task brief and going through the risk assessment. The driver would then have an on site assessent regardless if how qualified he(or she
Once all this is complete then the work can start. This is the environment I'm coming from, not saying it's right but even with that lot in place people get hurt or killed. Obviously we cant match that.
All that to dig an ole, fooking ell I've gone boss eyed
All that before you can think about digging a hole.All that to dig an ole, fooking ell I've gone boss eyed
