As another thought if you buy a 130 chassis with vin and you stick a Disco shell on it everytime you go through an ANPR youll be pulled as vehicles id dont match...
 
Okay but surely a body lift is a chassis modification? Or a bullbar? Especially if you welded it on? I mean theres no reason why, if making custom outriggers, that they couldnt be bolted to the chassis, rather than welded. (Basically welding the outrigger to a big thick flat or C-shaped sheet, then bolting that, in multiple places, to the chassis
 
It would look alot like a defender 130 from the rear, and being pulled over isnt a massive issue if its all legal. Anyway, Im sure after the first few, they add a note to the database. Also, the number of times that Ive seen a traffic car (I dont think regular police cars have ANPR, but I may be wrong) that hasnt been otherwise occupied is very very small.
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
Okay but surely a body lift is a chassis modification? Or a bullbar? Especially if you welded it on? I mean theres no reason why, if making custom outriggers, that they couldnt be bolted to the chassis, rather than welded. (Basically welding the outrigger to a big thick flat or C-shaped sheet, then bolting that, in multiple places, to the chassis
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No body lift is suspension and axle and bull bars bolt to bumper fixings and light/A-bars are attatched to bumper...there is no way getting round this...here in Portugal they are even stricter just taken this brand new never used of a 90 cause wont pass inspection...
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Okay, so I think Im right when I say that in the UK you can bolt whatever you want in terms of bumpers/bullbars (on older cars) and they bolt onto the chassis rails, everyone agree? I could be wrong again.
So, we can BOLT stuff to the CHASSIS so now, assume I take an outrigger from my disco, chop it off my disco chassis, and weld it as described (poorly) here: ]=/ so now we have an outrigger, on a C-shaped piece of metal, such that the "C" fits over the chassis rail nicely. Now, take a fully functional, roadworthy 130, and put the new thing on it. Drill holes and use big thick strong high tensile bolts to hold it in place. That defender 130 is still road legal, and would still pass an MoT wouldnt it? The other end with the body mount isnt attached to anything yet.
Then we do the body swap, wow, how convenient, the body mount on the chopped disco body lines up with this new contraption on the chassis! Bolty bolty, disco body on the 130!
 
The insurance is not a problem. If you want to test it, go to a comparison site, I use mustard, get to "is your vehicle modified" you get to choose, "yes" or "no" so you go yes ✓ then it says "please tick all the boxes that apply to your vehicle" (or similar) and then it catagorises and subcatagorises them, so if you tick "engine changes" you then get "different engine fitted" "turbocharging" "supercharging" etc, and if you tick "body alterations" you get "stickers" "body kit" "spoiler" etc, and "other" - and then they dont dig any further!
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
Okay, so I think Im right when I say that in the UK you can bolt whatever you want in terms of bumpers/bullbars (on older cars) and they bolt onto the chassis rails, everyone agree? I could be wrong again.
So, we can BOLT stuff to the CHASSIS so now, assume I take an outrigger from my disco, chop it off my disco chassis, and weld it as described (poorly) here: ]=/ so now we have an outrigger, on a C-shaped piece of metal, such that the "C" fits over the chassis rail nicely. Now, take a fully functional, roadworthy 130, and put the new thing on it. Drill holes and use big thick strong high tensile bolts to hold it in place. That defender 130 is still road legal, and would still pass an MoT wouldnt it? The other end with the body mount isnt attached to anything yet.
Then we do the body swap, wow, how convenient, the body mount on the chopped disco body lines up with this new contraption on the chassis! Bolty bolty, disco body on the 130!
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NO bloody NO you can weld/bolt what you like to the chassis within reason of course but you cant add a body to it as thats structually altering the design of the vehicles which after engineering are crash tested...dont you get it there is no way round this you cant alter a chassis without following the regs...
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
The insurance is not a problem. If you want to test it, go to a comparison site, I use mustard, get to "is your vehicle modified" you get to choose, "yes" or "no" so you go yes ✓ then it says "please tick all the boxes that apply to your vehicle" (or similar) and then it catagorises and subcatagorises them, so if you tick "engine changes" you then get "different engine fitted" "turbocharging" "supercharging" etc, and if you tick "body alterations" you get "stickers" "body kit" "spoiler" etc, and "other" - and then they dont dig any further!
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So they don’t ask for an inspection report from a professional person?
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
The insurance is not a problem. If you want to test it, go to a comparison site, I use mustard, get to "is your vehicle modified" you get to choose, "yes" or "no" so you go yes ✓ then it says "please tick all the boxes that apply to your vehicle" (or similar) and then it catagorises and subcatagorises them, so if you tick "engine changes" you then get "different engine fitted" "turbocharging" "supercharging" etc, and if you tick "body alterations" you get "stickers" "body kit" "spoiler" etc, and "other" - and then they dont dig any further!
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Till you have an accident then your in the merde with your modified chassis...
 
No insurance dont ask for an inspection. At least I got to the stage where they asked for my card details without even an indication that they might, and once theyve taken my money its too late lol. Yes I did read the smallprint, and so long as no modification is made after paying, its not my problem.
As for crash tests, maybe d1 was crash tested, but I highly doubt the defender or rrc were, given that they were designed before anyone cared much about that sort of thing.
My thought process through all this is that people make 100" defenders by putting cut 110 bodies on a disco chassis, so all Im doing effectively is the reverse. What if I modify the disco body to fit the stock 130 chassis?
 
LetsHopeItFits said:
No insurance dont ask for an inspection. At least I got to the stage where they asked for my card details without even an indication that they might, and once theyve taken my money its too late lol. Yes I did read the smallprint, and so long as no modification is made after paying, its not my problem.
As for crash tests, maybe d1 was crash tested, but I highly doubt the defender or rrc were, given that they were designed before anyone cared much about that sort of thing.
My thought process through all this is that people make 100" defenders by putting cut 110 bodies on a disco chassis, so all Im doing effectively is the reverse. What if I modify the disco body to fit the stock 130 chassis?
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On-line insurance is fine they will take your money no problem your insured and your road legal...ahh theres the get out clause when you are involved in a RTI...insurance companys dont certify that your vehicle is road legal..
 
Arent they the same? I assumed that because the chassis rails were the same width apart, that the springs would be, and so the axles would be the same? Maybe with different load ratings for 130 and hi cap?
 
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