Graculus
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Disabling passive entry (I hate the term 'keyless', mainly because it isn't...) Is easy and can be done by the owner, a secondary system such as Meta BLE42 which uses a Bluetooth dongle is even better, with a tertiary system such as a good old inhibit switch in line with the start button is better still...
Datatek
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OK until weather conditions screw the signals or a CME does the same. Sorry, that's bonkers. A key in the lock never goes down except when the lock breaks in JLR products.Best to use the satellite internet system
Lets call that.... SkyNet ...
That will rarely go down and if it does, it will be self-repairing, so AI will be back
As for AI, remember the kernel is written by fallible programmers who have not yet got to the stage of making Windows bomb proof.
What beats me is why it works so far from the car. My mate's Jag has keyless but it only works when you're beside or inside the car. Walk away and it won't start.
The bimmer was even more stupid - it tracks the key, not the car. So when he tried to track his car to find out where it had gone it told him it was still at his house with him because that's where the key was. Anyway, the police have found it 10 miles away. Unfortunately the theives stuffed it and the front end is completely stoved in so it looks like he won't be getting it back. I doubt he'll get another one.
Graculus
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Its not meant to, essentially what happens is the scrotes have a tuned directional antenna and a repeater transmitter, all they have to do is 'excite' the key and broadcast the code in the general direction of the human that is going to open the door, once the door opens, the car transmits a challenge to the key (which the scrotes rebroadcast), then they send the response from the key, which allows the car to be started. Essentially, they just have a big amplifier and a high frequency microphone in each direction...
Datatek
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Microphone? The signals are RF not sound.
Can you pinch a 38' then?
Graculus
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Microphone is a bit simplistic but I did earlier say 'antenna' and at is most basic, RF is just the same as sound (which is just a range of frequencies we can hear).
Not quite. Sound is vibration through air, solids or fluids, whereas RF is electromagnetic waves. i.e. humans can hear 50Hz sound but not mains voltage !!
Datatek
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A loudspeaker is a device that converts electrical waves into vibrations so that you can hear those electrical waves.And yet I spend all day at work listening to electromagnetic waves connected to a transducer.... the lads call it a 'radio' - I call it too fsking loud
If you're in a noisy workshop (air tools, etc as well ask the radio), get H&S ear plugs. Depending on the actual noise level, employers must provide !!And yet I spend all day at work listening to electromagnetic waves connected to a transducer.... the lads call it a 'radio' - I call it too fsking loud
Just to be clear - I was poking fun at the technology via references to the Terminator's SkyNet A.I. system...Best to use the satellite internet system
Lets call that.... SkyNet ...
That will rarely go down and if it does, it will be self-repairing, so AI will be back
Forgot this is an international forum with participants who may not be aware of the Arnold Schwarzenegger film series...
My apologies but...
I'll be Back !
Graculus
Well-Known Member
What's the chance of getting an invite to a night out with you two - it'd be a hoot!
See there dating It from 2016 onwards
Have seen that u can turn the keyless system off and personally would do the same along with a ghost alarm
Think u can do a thatcham upgrade but don’t know how good it is
Wonder after JLR have finished this software update to reduce thefts if it will then start to bring our premiums down
New patch is supposed to stop them getting stolen all together but bet the thieves will find a way round it
At the end of the day I assume once the key is inside a feraday pouch the key stops transmitting for the thieves to copy , but read that some are followed to carparks etc and then copy the signal as there driving it or wait until they stop the engine
At the end of the day just hope all models went tarred with the same brush by insurance companies
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Still think that JLR have a lot to answer for in creating this issue
Assume some other manufacturers don’t suffer this issue with there keyless entry system , unless of course every system can be hacked
Think some of the jap motors are the most secure
Ps , hope ur good mate
Plus 1
Also seen many fit a dummy obd2 socket or relocate
Assume if they can’t access it they can’t steal it , but suppose there next move would be if it’s remote to just lift it
RangeRoller dt
Well-Sprung Member
Old fashioned kill switch. If they can just walk up to a car and drive off they are opportunistic will likely think there is something wrong with it if it won’t start and move on.
See my post on BMW.
Faraday cage blocks any signal from reaching the key as the signal goes through the cage material rather than the interior. Google for pictures of Nikolai Tesla demonstrating a Faraday cage to show how safe his AC electric was. Might have used his Tesla coil.
