All of the googling that I have done indicates that the Freelander 2000-2003 with EWS3D immo uses an ID46 chip, and on BMW forums they are saying that they can be cloned.
There is a thread on here saying the same
https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/what-is-inside-the-key.325494/
There is a thread on here saying the same
https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/what-is-inside-the-key.325494/
A 2004 almost certainly has a SAWDOC immobiliser. Andy is trying to clone a key chip for an EWS3D based car.
Sorry to hear Andy hope you can get it sorted out with the suppliers. As mine is a MY2004 it's may be why Timpsons said they can do mine for me, if not as I said I'll just get a key cut & keep it on board somewhere.
Hi, unfortunately this is for the remote fobs & not the ignition key itself which is what @andyfreelandy was hoping to clone.
andyfreelandy
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Thanks, can already do fobs. Easy!!
Oh right, ok. The transponder inside the key, got it.Hi, unfortunately this is for the remote fobs & not the ignition key itself which is what @andyfreelandy was hoping to clone.
andyfreelandy
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Just a further heads up on this one.
Desperate to get a second key for my lad's yellow 1.8 F1.
Couldn't do it as above so went to Timpsons. They ordered a blank, put it on a machine which apparently copied the chip in the key in seconds.
Suspiciously, I tried it in the car and 2 problems.
1. Key blank has a shorter recess than original so fits door, ignition but not fuel cap where key goes in further.
2. Chip hasn't worked as no cranking when key put into position 3.
Cost £70.
They refunded in full for non operation.
If anyone knows who can do F1 keys that work please post.
Desperate to get a second key for my lad's yellow 1.8 F1.
Couldn't do it as above so went to Timpsons. They ordered a blank, put it on a machine which apparently copied the chip in the key in seconds.
Suspiciously, I tried it in the car and 2 problems.
1. Key blank has a shorter recess than original so fits door, ignition but not fuel cap where key goes in further.
2. Chip hasn't worked as no cranking when key put into position 3.
Cost £70.
They refunded in full for non operation.
If anyone knows who can do F1 keys that work please post.
GrumpyGel
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From what has been said above, my reading is that the only way with the 'EWS3D' is to speak to LR - or get replacement engine ECU, immobiliser ECU and keys. I wonder if a later ECU and SAWDOC immobiliser will work in a EWS3D manufactured car?
This is going to be a big problem going forward if LR can not (or chose not to) continue to supply keys. It will also be a problem for all cars of the era and for enthusiasts wanting to buy a car and keep them on the road. I wonder if companies will start selling their own proprietary engine ECUs to replace car's originals? Its a complex beast as they link to ABS, dashboard displays etc - as well as the engine's sensors and controls (eg injectors). Each car will be different.
This is going to be a big problem going forward if LR can not (or chose not to) continue to supply keys. It will also be a problem for all cars of the era and for enthusiasts wanting to buy a car and keep them on the road. I wonder if companies will start selling their own proprietary engine ECUs to replace car's originals? Its a complex beast as they link to ABS, dashboard displays etc - as well as the engine's sensors and controls (eg injectors). Each car will be different.
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Bife
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Did you get anywhere with this @andyfreelandy ?
I have only had one key for 5 years now, and its only a matter of time ........
This site seems to give a simple description:
I have a 2001 td4 and so have the "Freelander BMW EWS unit" and my key and fob are indeed the same as in their photos.
they say, "Freelander BMW EWS unit is very reliable BUT the transponder CANNOT be copied." which is my experience after wasting a lot of time here with people telling me hey can do it, but it doesnt work. finally I saw a readout which said "this chip cannot be cloned" or the like.
Do I have any options?
Currently leaving chipped key onboard and using cut key to get in (fob works but last of the lock solenoids, the drivers gave up recently ...)
EDIT: sorry, seem the search missed some posts after yours, but the question remains the same
DevonGuy
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Can’t help with the techno-stuff that the rest of you guys excel at but for what it’s worth I may be able to shed some light on Timpsons.
Mrs DG managed to break the blades of both the keys to her Skoda Fabia at the pivot point (it’s a fold-out key) and my local man in town couldn’t help me but directed me to Timpsons. I went there to see the very helpful guy running the kiosk in Asda (I think) but he was unable to help because their machinery can’t guarantee a perfect result. Apparently one branch produced a key which bricked a car lock and resulted in an expensive lawsuit and the only option for the stores seemed to be to cease producing that style of key. This resulted in me spending an hour or two combining old blades with new fobs but got the job done.
andyfreelandy
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No not cracked it I am afraid. Key fobs to unlock and lock car yes but not the key transponder chip.
Invested many pounds and system that was recommended and apparently used by 'professionals' couldn't do it.
Invested many pounds and system that was recommended and apparently used by 'professionals' couldn't do it.
Bife
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I just phoned the local LR dealer whilst at mum's house in Essex.
They couldn't do anything as my VIN is foreign, but he estimated 500-600 GBP (with 1.5 hrs labour at 200/hr)
I ordered 2 whilst I was at it and told them to take it easy as I didn't want them to mess it up by rushing and only spending 1.5 hours programming it.
They couldn't do anything as my VIN is foreign, but he estimated 500-600 GBP (with 1.5 hrs labour at 200/hr)
I ordered 2 whilst I was at it and told them to take it easy as I didn't want them to mess it up by rushing and only spending 1.5 hours programming it.
Alibro
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As theft of the car is not really an issue why not remove the chip from the working key and tape it into the steering column beside the ignition, then get a spare key cut and move on with your life.
For those about to mention insurance I'd be interested to hear about a likely sequence of events that would lead to the insurance company knowing about such a mod.
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