You really should do a bit of independent research into this subject before ranting and making yourself look bloody stupid and uninformed. I won't comment on your spelling and just say REGENERATIVE BRAKING and leave it at that...
auld duffer
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Regenerative braking doesn't make electric vehicles more efficient, it just makes them less inefficient, You might recapture around 25 to 30 percent of lost energy from regen braking , that's Teslas number not mine ..Its also a bit subjective, If you decelerate, and regenerate a small amount of power , you then use that power to increase your speed back to where you were previously . So you gain a little and you use a little , but overall your battery will discharge . Its probably better to just agree with you though.. and wish you all the best with your electric car /conversion.
Im happy for you to point out and enlighten me regarding my comments , spelling might be the least of our worries
I agree, it did read like a rant, probably was, but re reading it its actually not that bad, other than it being way off the posters original reason for posting and I apologise to them for that.
I admit to being a bit triggered by the EV argument, much preferring to adopt a horse and cart mentality to technical advancements that I feel interfere with my lifestyle. That's no less selfish than the attitudes of people with so called green credentials. I admit to digging my heels in over the promises of renewable energy .. If I was still here in 40 years time, perhaps I might have changed my mind,
In the meantime I will reduce my carbon footprint by turning the heating down and wearing a jumper .
PS If my independent research is reasonably accurate. 20% of the UKs energy needs are generated by approx. 9000 turbines.. In theory, it would require 45000 turbines to achieve 100% ..I accept that's a flippant projection and over simplified . The available space required will be shared with solar, while expensive and technical off shore installations will offset the requirement for ground space .. makes me wonder where my next meal is coming from when all this ground is filled with concrete to support wind turbines ..
regarding charging costs, the price increases have already started , OK if you can do them at home but I just happened to be reading this .
https://www.whatcar.com/news/the-tr...ric-car-using-public-chargers-revealed/n21008
Which might suggest real increases even at this early stage . When Electricity companies have you cornered do you think they wont increase the cost of home charging by imposing varying tarrifs? That's all possible through smart meters.
If you don't believe that, the following link from a very one sided report bestows the virtues of EV usage, indeed it reports the phenomena of powering your house from the remaining charge in your car ( putting it back into the grid ) but it touches on the ability of the power companies to know what and when your charging /using and depending on demand, the ability to vary tariffs.
Once the demand for EV charging increases lets say to 60% in the UK, and most users charge overnight, in that case there is no longer a low demand during the night , but a high demand, ( which the report fails to recognise) in which case the tariff will increase . Its really not that complicated, Its just convenient to ignore it. The treasury short fall due to the reduction of income from fuel duty and road tax has to be met somehow .
https://www.smartenergygb.org/en/-/...nts/The-smart-route-to-electric-vehicles.ashx
It is unfortunately inevitable that old cars will meet there demise. Classics are on there way out, prices will drop like a stone as folk clamor to offload there Historic vehicles before they are left holding a dud .. I might sell all of mine before the crash and buy a bike, might even get an electric one. Resistance is futile, but at the same time resistance to change is an important part of human beings' innate instinct to survive -
Im happy for you to point out and enlighten me regarding my comments , spelling might be the least of our worries
I agree, it did read like a rant, probably was, but re reading it its actually not that bad, other than it being way off the posters original reason for posting and I apologise to them for that.I admit to being a bit triggered by the EV argument, much preferring to adopt a horse and cart mentality to technical advancements that I feel interfere with my lifestyle. That's no less selfish than the attitudes of people with so called green credentials. I admit to digging my heels in over the promises of renewable energy .. If I was still here in 40 years time, perhaps I might have changed my mind,
In the meantime I will reduce my carbon footprint by turning the heating down and wearing a jumper .
PS If my independent research is reasonably accurate. 20% of the UKs energy needs are generated by approx. 9000 turbines.. In theory, it would require 45000 turbines to achieve 100% ..I accept that's a flippant projection and over simplified . The available space required will be shared with solar, while expensive and technical off shore installations will offset the requirement for ground space .. makes me wonder where my next meal is coming from when all this ground is filled with concrete to support wind turbines ..
regarding charging costs, the price increases have already started , OK if you can do them at home but I just happened to be reading this .
https://www.whatcar.com/news/the-tr...ric-car-using-public-chargers-revealed/n21008
Which might suggest real increases even at this early stage . When Electricity companies have you cornered do you think they wont increase the cost of home charging by imposing varying tarrifs? That's all possible through smart meters.
If you don't believe that, the following link from a very one sided report bestows the virtues of EV usage, indeed it reports the phenomena of powering your house from the remaining charge in your car ( putting it back into the grid ) but it touches on the ability of the power companies to know what and when your charging /using and depending on demand, the ability to vary tariffs.
Once the demand for EV charging increases lets say to 60% in the UK, and most users charge overnight, in that case there is no longer a low demand during the night , but a high demand, ( which the report fails to recognise) in which case the tariff will increase . Its really not that complicated, Its just convenient to ignore it. The treasury short fall due to the reduction of income from fuel duty and road tax has to be met somehow .
https://www.smartenergygb.org/en/-/...nts/The-smart-route-to-electric-vehicles.ashx
It is unfortunately inevitable that old cars will meet there demise. Classics are on there way out, prices will drop like a stone as folk clamor to offload there Historic vehicles before they are left holding a dud .. I might sell all of mine before the crash and buy a bike, might even get an electric one. Resistance is futile, but at the same time resistance to change is an important part of human beings' innate instinct to survive -
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No, you wrote "With al that availabke power and zero transmission braking, you will have to upgrade the brakes," My point was that while you don't have engine braking, you DO have regen, which on many cars means you never actually touch the hydraulic braking at all.
As i said, DO SOME RESEARCH!
You make yourself look stupid by either making up **** yourself or just repeating other **** other people have made up and spout as fact!
If you want to learn facts...
https://www.youtube.com/c/fullychargedshow/videos
If not, don't bother. I don't care either way!
As i said, DO SOME RESEARCH!
You make yourself look stupid by either making up **** yourself or just repeating other **** other people have made up and spout as fact!
If you want to learn facts...
https://www.youtube.com/c/fullychargedshow/videos
If not, don't bother. I don't care either way!
auld duffer
Well-Known Member
whatever have a good day.
have a good day.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
What a load of BS.
A single 2 maga-watt turbine weighs 300 tonnes, and contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by carbon cheating methods. The rest of the weight is made up copper, electrical components and plastics.
The base of this 2 MW turbine needs 650 tons of concrete, not 2500 tons as stated.
This 2MW turbine can become carbon neutral (which means it has saved more CO2 then it took to make it) in a matter of months.
Why not just admit that the fuel of the future is electric, and making electricity can be greener than it is by burning stuff.
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v8250
Well-Known Member
No, it is not. The fuel of the future...and it's deployment is gaining rapidly...is hydrogen.
Re' EV's are the future...I warmly recommend you start researching hydrogen. Stand alone H generators that are cost-wise in the domestic/light commercial realm are not far away from us. By this I mean sub-£30k installed with storage tank and pressurised filling system.
Even lower cost is generating H browns gas and feeding directly into one's existing ICE [petrol and/or diesel] and significantly reducing black particulate/SOx/NOx/C02 emission levels at source without any of the complex needs of selling a £50k battery conversion, nor in fact selling a £100k Tesla.
H browns gas kits are readily available now, the majority costing under £700 fitted.
https://hydroxsystems.co.uk/
They're even available on Fleabay...go try them, you may be surprised
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HHO-Hydr...itre-Cars-vans-boats-UK-Support-/281668757431
Bobsticle
De Villes Advocaat
Not so bad in a Tesla when its going to be milk bottle tops within ten years. It may even outlast the availability of the raw materials for batteries.
EVs will be dead in ten or so years. We will have come up with something else by then, possibly nitrogen but who knows. They will no doubt go through a range of super best yet batteries to encourage sales of the new models but they wont last. In 50 years they will be as forgettable as VHS.
EVs will be dead in ten or so years. We will have come up with something else by then, possibly nitrogen but who knows. They will no doubt go through a range of super best yet batteries to encourage sales of the new models but they wont last. In 50 years they will be as forgettable as VHS.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
And your information for this statement are based on facts from where?
The average life of ICE vehicle is around 10 years, by which point, its ready for the scrap heap as it'll be worthless.
A Tesla is designed to last a lot longer than an average ICE vehicle, and is still worth around 40% of its new price at 10 years.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
How's the conversion going TT?
Bobsticle
De Villes Advocaat
Have you tried buying a ten year old one to back up your ‘facts’.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
Yes, a Nissan Leaf, and they're silly money for a 10 year old car. You can buy a 10 year old low mileage D3 for less than the same age Nissan Leaf.
Bobsticle
De Villes Advocaat
How did it drive?
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
Well I have done my own sums (last year: prices may have changed slightly!):
As UK energy production isn't carbon neutral even the electric cars still "produce" CO2 per mile. Given the 8k miles I do a year it would take around 7 to 10 years of usage to warrant a new electric car. On cost terms (current pump prices) that's 14 years to be cost effective from buying a new car (£500 a year maintenance).
The best information I can find is that the batteries are guaranteed performance for 8 years.
Obviously if you're doing 20000 miles a year electric will be look more attractive than above.
By all means if you NEED a new car then making it electric isn't even clear cut. High performance vehicles or those that are massively heavy will always "pollute" more, it doesn't matter the type of car.
And if you've already got a car then don't bother.
As ICE cars are about half the manufacturing cost (in CO2) of electric it's not worth going electric if said vehicle does over 50mpg. (Ford focus titanium shows up at supposedly 67.2 MPG)
All of this will of course change if we ever get to an energy mix that fully supports renewable/nuclear.
Just my opinion anyway.
As UK energy production isn't carbon neutral even the electric cars still "produce" CO2 per mile. Given the 8k miles I do a year it would take around 7 to 10 years of usage to warrant a new electric car. On cost terms (current pump prices) that's 14 years to be cost effective from buying a new car (£500 a year maintenance).
The best information I can find is that the batteries are guaranteed performance for 8 years.
Obviously if you're doing 20000 miles a year electric will be look more attractive than above.
By all means if you NEED a new car then making it electric isn't even clear cut. High performance vehicles or those that are massively heavy will always "pollute" more, it doesn't matter the type of car.
And if you've already got a car then don't bother.
As ICE cars are about half the manufacturing cost (in CO2) of electric it's not worth going electric if said vehicle does over 50mpg. (Ford focus titanium shows up at supposedly 67.2 MPG)
All of this will of course change if we ever get to an energy mix that fully supports renewable/nuclear.
Just my opinion anyway.
Bobsticle
De Villes Advocaat
That’s all very well, or I’m sure it would be if I could be bothered reading it, but.
electric cars are so crap.
DaveyGTi
Well-Known Member
This is quite interesting, I'm not going to weigh in on the pros and cons of EVs as I think it's been demonstrated above that you can twist the facts to suit your viewpoint either way. EVs are here to stay though, at least for the foreseeable, although I'd agree they are a stopgap until hydrogen or similar gets off the ground (that in itself does take rather a lot of energy to refine.) I am quite a proponent of EVs however, mostly as one of the services my business offers is install charging stations and hopefully will be offering a full EV charging/battery storage/solar package in the first half of next year.
There was an article in LRO magazine a couple of years ago about a range rover classic converted to EV, I think by a company in South Wales, will see if I still have the issue.
There was an article in LRO magazine a couple of years ago about a range rover classic converted to EV, I think by a company in South Wales, will see if I still have the issue.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
They aren't the only ones by any means. I have read quite a bit in the regular press about companies who convert prestige classics to full electric.
They are very expensive, and mainly aimed at very rich people who want to show off how much money they have.
But the electric propulsion is very good for how such cars actually tend to be used. Short journeys down the beach in California posing, stuff like that.
neilly
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I would assume it is the same company that made the vintage voltage tv program recently aired.
Cheers
