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gstuart said:
wonder if using a buffer tank to stop boiler from cycling , linked to a hot water cylinder with a double coil

using The hot water to pump round the rads , with the twin coil maybe one off a heat pump and the other off boiler

done Many systems with the twin coil, one coil off solar, other was the boiler

control wise can a fit 3 x port to switch between hot water and heating , however depending on volume might have to do a priority setting, plus correct sizing of zone valves in relation to btu rating

indeed with any heat pump need to prevent it from cycling , another issue of course if ensuring it doesn’t use the internal electric element when there’s a short fall

so handy using a buffer / hot water store to use for the rads, will also need a program to heat the water to 60c for the legionaries

totally agree that heat pumps arnt any good for older properties , ie, bad insulation along with then having to oversize the rads , many reasons why buffer tanks are ideal to prevent the cycling , really enjoyed designing quite a few heating systems , but alas heating has advanced more and more in the last 10 x years

also there’s an issue with low temperature water, was ideal for UFH but on rads along with the higher temps of the boiler flow and returns need to work out the delta t , or air temps req in each room, air changes , mixers are sometimes required

main issue would of course Be the range of water temperatures , but again using a buffer tank will help equalise that

hope that waffle sort of makes sense

just a few ideas my friend
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So is the problem in the UK insulation/good quality of build, rather than the heating method? We can keep spending money and resources to heat outside.
 
newb said:
So is the problem in the UK insulation/good quality of build, rather than the heating method? We can keep spending money and resources to heat outside.
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indeed many homes suffered with very poor insulation, bad windows , solid walls , etc, plus air changes not adhered to , ie , moisture etc, then the incorrect heating application applied , leading the end user to spend far more money

of course have at the other end passive houses but heard complaints about them as well where they dry the air so much

in a well insulated home with good windows, correct air changes a condensing boiler and UFH were very good

when I was at work would use a thermal imaging camera , would be amazed of all the cold areas
 
Nodge68 said:
Domestic heating is a big issue, and no at the moment heat pumps aren't up to the job in older properties.

I have wondered if it would be possible to develop a combination fuel/heat pump boiler for older less well insulated properties. Maybe using a combination of air source and a small boiler as a booster to add a bit more energy to the mix. Unfortunately air source systems just don't provide enough heat energy to comfortably warm an old house, even houses from the later 90s will struggle to be warm using a heat pump.
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No no no, the answer is where you can, you should, you must. Where you have no options you need choices. You cannot force people on to systems that don’t offer an outcome.
Where I live by choice, I no option but oil and wood for heating. I’m a polluter, however like a company carbon offset scheme, the thousands that benefit for heat source etc offset my emissions and I do what I can by driving an EV (and a 4.6 RR) and by having a solar system.
 
gstuart said:
indeed many homes suffered with very poor insulation, bad windows , solid walls , etc, plus air changes not adhered to , ie , moisture etc, then the incorrect heating application applied , leading the end user to spend far more money

of course have at the other end passive houses but heard complaints about them as well where they dry the air so much

in a well insulated home with good windows, correct air changes a condensing boiler and UFH were very good

when I was at work would use a thermal imaging camera , would be amazed of all the cold areas
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My house was built in 1881, long before cavity walls and insulation was heard of. We do have loft insulation, and double glazing, for what it's worth.
I heat with oil and wood, there's not really a cost effective alternative. However I do keep the thermostat to 19°C, which helps my carbon footprint a bit. I put about 13,000 kWhr of heat into my house per year, but that also covers hot water to, which I don't think is bad for an old house like mine.
 
Nodge68 said:
My house was built in 1881, long before cavity walls and insulation was heard of. We do have loft insulation, and double glazing, for what it's worth.
I heat with oil and wood, there's not really a cost effective alternative. However I do keep the thermostat to 19°C, which helps my carbon footprint a bit. I put about 13,000 kWhr of heat into my house per year, but that also covers hot water to, which I don't think is bad for an old house like mine.
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A real house then , adore the older houses full of character

in cases like that I’ve done some pipe alterations to zone upstairs and downstairs separate from one another with there own stats

did do a full central heating installation in a brick/ timber house that had been built around the 15/16th century , was gorgeous but my god it was difficult trying to run some of the pipes , along with none of the floors being level so was good fun hanging the rads , lol

another one was a barn conversion, luckily was able to run most of it hidden away in plastic Pex pipe, hardest thing with both of these houses being listed , also ran some of the pipes up some of the discussed chimneys, or behind false panelling / beam covers to hide the pipes

one barn conversion we done UFH , was also good seeing the heat could be set alot lower than conventional rads
 
In classic fashion we have went off topic from the original OP :D

Re the original post, spoke about it with a friend and he has read that a lot of it happens in London, but not in rural. The working assumption there is that such people in the rural would have a shotgun. Have you thought of getting an UK NRA sticker? :D

Saying that, your does come across as non-eco cause damage.
 
On the EV subject, away from pro/cons conversation, not sure where to put this, an interested current affairs state of the market and industry in the USA review. Title might be a bit gloom, but the conclusion is positive.
 
I am in deepest darkest rural Norfolk, yes not really heard of here lots of land rovers of all shapes and flavors, on reflection it was most likely just a fooking idiot lots of them too, you should see Saturday night and a full moon
 
tyregeezer said:
Thinking about buying a car just for work as it sits in a car park until ten or eleven 3 nights a week also only 5 miles so landrover hardly warms up, nothing noticed on CCTV so I am informed, also looking at dash cams be aware every one
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If you're only travelling five miles get a bike. No D3 exposed to keys, save on fuel and get fitter. It's a win win win situation :cool:
 
gstuart said:
u saying that reminds me years ago when I was still living at home that my brothers and I had just finished restoring a dolomite sprint , we saved up over months and got it resprayed in cherry red and parked it down our shared drive

came indoors to show it off to our parents , the neighbour decided to key the brand new paintwork from front to back, police were called after my brother climbed through the rear door after he smashed the glass to give him a bloody good hiding , bloke was hiding in the bathroom

Christ knows what my brother would have done if he got hold of him, no charges were ever made , but as we each had a car we blocked his cars in at every opportunity for months , forcing him to catch public transport along with being late for work
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Not that i'd ever condone violence, but... :banana::mexicanwave::cool:
 
Messerschmitt said:
Ні, друже, ти не пив( але це не точно, хто зна ))). То скоріше мій перекладач.
ТА ЦЕ НЕ РОСІЙСЬКА, чорт забирай, це Українська. Це різні речі.
No, friend, you didn't drink (but it's not certain, who knows))). Rather, he is my translator.
AND IT'S NOT RUSSIAN, dammit, it's Ukrainian. These are different things.
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But it's all bollox to the majority of people on here, me included. I need clear spaced letters in inglish to understand
 
Nodge68 said:
I get a bit peeved because that same old incorrect comments are repeated over and over, you know the one's where "materials for batteries are dug up by children using their bare hands", but it's a very inaccurate argument.

Here's some educational information.

There are no rare earth materials in an EV battery, but Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC) batteries do contain an amount of Cobalt. However the whole argument for Cobalt is moot, as it's also used by fuel manufacturers as a catalyst to remove sulfur from the fuels.
Cobalt is also used in the batteries of every smartphone, laptop, power bank, vape and millions of other rechargeable electronic devices.

Fun fact. In the UK every year enough disposable vapes are thrown away to make over 6,000 Tesla model S long range batteries. No that has got to be stopped, as these vapes cause fires in waste disposal facilities and vehicles, not to mention the waste of simply throwing away all those resources.

Most EV manufacturers are moving away from NMC batteries, switching to the safer less environmentally damaging, and less combustible Lithium Iron Phosphate (LifePO4 or LFP) batteries which has several benefits over NMC, dispite being less energy dense.
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I support the Fully Charged channel on Youtube. I only watched it because it is presented by Robert LLewellyn of Red Dwarf fame. I'd have an EV tomorrow but for the same reason why i drive an old Ibiza and BMW instead of a new F-Type Jag. I can't afford the one i want. They are all 30k+ and i refuse to pay that much for ANY car
gstuart said:
Many thks as always for info , talking of batteries I assume that EV’s have been getting lighter with battery advancements

curious as more EV’s are introduced onto our roads if our roads will suffer in any way , read somewhere there’s roughly around 1.5 million EV’s, of course understand our roads arnt the best from the get go

suppose at the end of the day as EV numbers increase I wonder what the gov will do with regards to taxes , ie pay per mile etc

as a side note see the new Tesla HGV over a 24 hour period with 3 x charges had a range of just over a 1,000 miles, bet California air quality will improve dramatically

just seen this

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I don't think they are getting lighter, per se. They are getting more energy dense, so more power per KG so you need less battery (lighter) than before to get the same energy capacity.
 
Palagius said:
Lots on the news about batteries and fires,
1500 cars went up in smoke at luton airport and i wouldnt be surprised it was an E.V that caused the conflagration
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If memory serves it was a Jaguar E Pace hybrid. I think the biggest critisism was that the relatively new multi story had been built without a sprinkler system. It wouldn't have put out the original car as the batteries produce their own oxygen to feed the fire, but would have helped with the rest of them that joined in.
 
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