Which budget, but decent, LED lights?

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Time to replace the factory candles on my 1986 110. I know there is a lot of Chinese crap on eBay which is alledgely MOT legal but produces a hopeless beam pattern. So I'm after something that...

-Lights the road well and is a big improvement on standard
-Is MOT legal and won't dazzle other drivers
-Will last, and won't be afraid of a bit of off roading/fording
-Is good value...not looking to spend a fortune here

Any recommendations? I'm not that bothered about halo rings, as in it doesn't worry me if they do or don't have them.

Thanks in advance!
 
Personally I've got a decent pair of lenses and halfords ultra brilliance as I wanted something that I could buy off the shelf if I needed a replacement one. I'd check your wiring and earths if they are that dim. As with all things buy cheap buy twice but if your wiring is duff to begin with you might not get a huge improvement
 
There's nothing actually broken or suspect on my lights, they are just crap, that's all. The technology is ancient, and things have moved on with LEDs.

I've owned two 2008 BMWs, one with standard halogens. These were of course 2008 technology, not 1980s, and whilst they were OK, they were not brilliant if you wanted to "push on" a bit at night on unlit roads. The second car (same age) has factory fit LEDs and the difference is enormous.

I'd be interested to see the performance of the bulbs listed above, however LEDs have revolutionised lighting in so many other fields that I have an interest in (sailing, cycling, camping, DIY home lighting) it just seems daft not taking advantage of the technology in the one place I'd really see the benefit.

Drum brakes and cross plies on a 109" are fine and legal. Disc brakes and radials on a 110 are just soooooo much better.
 
There's nothing actually broken or suspect on my lights, they are just crap, that's all. The technology is ancient, and things have moved on with LEDs.

I've owned two 2008 BMWs, one with standard halogens. These were of course 2008 technology, not 1980s, and whilst they were OK, they were not brilliant if you wanted to "push on" a bit at night on unlit roads. The second car (same age) has factory fit LEDs and the difference is enormous.

I'd be interested to see the performance of the bulbs listed above, however LEDs have revolutionised lighting in so many other fields that I have an interest in (sailing, cycling, camping, DIY home lighting) it just seems daft not taking advantage of the technology in the one place I'd really see the benefit.

Drum brakes and cross plies on a 109" are fine and legal. Disc brakes and radials on a 110 are just soooooo much better.

If you feel like that, why not just get a modern car or 4wd. Lights would be bright too.
 
These were of course 2008 technology, not 1980s, and whilst they were OK, they were not brilliant if you wanted to "push on" a bit at night on unlit roads.
That's utter bollox. Poor driving if you are blaming the lights for how fast you should or shouldn't go. Main beam on almost any car in the past 70 years is bright enough for high road legal speeds. So I assume you are meaning dip. And driving like a **** with oncoming traffic with the sole thing being how bright your lights are, to determine if you think you are ok or not, is a completely stupid stance to take.
 
Time to replace the factory candles on my 1986 110. I know there is a lot of Chinese crap on eBay which is alledgely MOT legal but produces a hopeless beam pattern. So I'm after something that...

-Lights the road well and is a big improvement on standard
-Is MOT legal and won't dazzle other drivers
-Will last, and won't be afraid of a bit of off roading/fording
-Is good value...not looking to spend a fortune here

Any recommendations? I'm not that bothered about halo rings, as in it doesn't worry me if they do or don't have them.

Thanks in advance!
1. There is no such thing as "MoT legal". It will be down to Construction & Use Regs and nothing MoT related at all.
2. Almost all of the ones from China will not really be legal. Any markings they have will be fake or from another item.
3. The price of them is still very high IMO and simply not worth it.
4. Halogen need a good 13v to perform. As a rule factory wiring running through the headlight switch causes a lot of resistance, meaning you get lower voltage to the lights. There are kits that install a relay and run the lights direct from the alternator, or you could make up a kit for cheap.

Good halogen bulbs will make a difference too (are you even running halogen? Stock for your model year would be sealed beam units). Combined with some good lenses and you should get very good light output for dip beam. If you want more from your mainbeam then look at fitting some additional driving lights too.

5.I'm not against LED lights, but tbh all of the kits on the market by and large make a Land Rover look rather goofy and spastic. So unless you are blinging it up to look cool to the Chelsea tractor rich set, they are a negative from a styling point of view (IMO).

6. There are other options, such as LED bulbs and HID kits. The legality on these is somewhat grey.... however I don't think anyone has been prosecuted for running either. And high wattage halogens, or even some of these high output halogens are also probably illegal to the strictest letter of the regs...

7. Have a look here:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50238
 
That's utter bollox. Poor driving if you are blaming the lights for how fast you should or shouldn't go. Main beam on almost any car in the past 70 years is bright enough for high road legal speeds. So I assume you are meaning dip. And driving like a **** with oncoming traffic with the sole thing being how bright your lights are, to determine if you think you are ok or not, is a completely stupid stance to take.

Oh for goodness sakes. Who said anything about "driving like a ****" or even breaking the speed limit? Would you take that stance to that phrase on PH where I know you contribute as do I? Yes I'm talking dipped beam. No I'm not "blaming" the lights for how fast I can and can't go. However, most people will tend to drive a bit faster in the day because they can see the road better, other users such as pedestrians and cyclists better, and hazards such as animals, potholes, gravel, oil etc better too. Not sure if you have driven a modern car with LED lighting that looks around corners as you steer...try it, you might like it.

My apologies to the collective for driving a Land Rover that has several modifications for increased comfort, power, safety, ability, and security. Further apologies for wishing to fit lights to see better at night.
 
5.I'm not against LED lights, but tbh all of the kits on the market by and large make a Land Rover look rather goofy and spastic. So unless you are blinging it up to look cool to the Chelsea tractor rich set, they are a negative from a styling point of view (IMO).

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50238

I can assure you my 110 is about as un-bling as they come! Yes it's fairly tidy and has a few extras such as Boost alloys etc, however it is very much still a proper Land Rover and at this moment in time is in need of a good jet wash! However some of the LED lamps actually look very nice IMHO, although I'm not that keen on halo rings as they aren't very "Land Rover".

"Spastic". Come on, I'm not trying to get all PC but it's 2016 now. Google Natasha Lambert for one determined young lady. If my Defender looks like it has some of her determination in it I'll be more than happy with that.
 
I can assure you my 110 is about as un-bling as they come! Yes it's fairly tidy and has a few extras such as Boost alloys etc, however it is very much still a proper Land Rover and at this moment in time is in need of a good jet wash! However some of the LED lamps actually look very nice IMHO, although I'm not that keen on halo rings as they aren't very "Land Rover".

"Spastic". Come on, I'm not trying to get all PC but it's 2016 now. Google Natasha Lambert for one determined young lady. If my Defender looks like it has some of her determination in it I'll be more than happy with that.
So you missed where I said:
(IMO)

Then? :D

And as you made no mention to it, I also assume you ignored everything else I said?


I'll be honest and say I have not bought or used any of the LED headlights in a Defender. There are one or two in my area that have them however. And having been followed by both, both are nasty glaring things and shouldn't be on the road. They are either badly adjusted or just not producing a cut off beam.

There are some nice looking LED lamps, KC Hilites:
http://www.kchilites.com/light-type...ty-led-7-jeep-headlight-pair-pack-system.html
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But they are pricey and I've not seen anything to say they are designed for right hand drive.

Remember dip beam should angle/cut off the light so that it aims down and left....

Many of these cheap Chinese ones are probably fine for people who drive on the other side of the road where you want dip to aim down and right.
 
My apologies to the collective for driving a Land Rover that has several modifications for increased comfort, power, safety, ability, and security. Further apologies for wishing to fit lights to see better at night.

Nothing wrong with doing any of that. But there is nothing wrong with liking the standard vehicle either. :)

Common sense might suggest that to come on a site where many run, and enjoy, old landrovers, might not be best to start saying how inadequate they are? ;)

And we are usually known as a clique! :) Collective sounds a bit Mao-ist, somehow!
 
The simplest way is to go for crystal lenses and a good halogen bulb. The crystal lens makes a huge difference without the expense of LEDs
 
My mate sells them aswell as other land rover parts his shop online or on eBay is Sp 4x4 he will look after you. he has alot of different led lights and I've seen them on his own td5 and they are impressive.
 
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6. There are other options, such as LED bulbs and HID kits. The legality on these is somewhat grey.... however I don't think anyone has been prosecuted for running either. And high wattage halogens, or even some of these high output halogens are also probably illegal to the strictest letter of the regs...

There is nothing grey about the legality of fitting LED bulbs or HID kits into an existing headlight unit.

They are ILLEGAL

Under different acts such as Vehicle Lighting Regulations headlights have to be type approved which these days basically means E marked.

So a manufacturer develops a headlight unit and gets type approval for a filament halogen bulb. That headlight is only approved for a filament bulb. The headlight unit has not been tested with a LED 'bulb' or HID kit, therefore the E mark is invalid.

Would any manufacturer approve a unauthorised, unknown modification to their equipment??

As for HID the same reasoning applies.

Fact sheet: Aftermarket HID headlamps
December 2006
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.



Brendan
 
Oh for goodness sakes. Yes I'm talking dipped beam. (Snip) Further apologies for wishing to fit lights to see better at night.

The trouble with dipped beams is, there is a set standard for the cutoff angle, meaning that no matter how bright the beams are, they'll still only be illuminating the same section of road. If anything, making that dipped-beam area brighter will make distant objects less visible, so worsening your vision. The only way to see further down the road on dipped-beam is to set them at less of an angle, which will then fail the MOT test and dazzle oncoming drivers. Proper lensing with decent bulbs (not the blue-tinted ones!) is sufficient.

I have Britpart halogens on my 90, and the dipped-beam area is clear enough. High beams are a bit lacking, so I've added a single 55w spotlamp on the bumper which comes on with main beam.
 
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Look at the article you posted. It starts "in the departments veiw".

That is not a law. That is an opinion of a government department.

To establish the law there either needs to be case law or an act of parliament that specifically states something. To my knowledge neither exist and I've never read of anyone being persecuted on these grounds.

So unless you can actually provide evidence to the contrary, that isn't just an opinion of a person/department. Then yes it is grey.

Do note I haven't said they are legal. But not being legal does not automatically make them illegal either.
 
Nothing wrong in wanting to have better headlights. Makes more sense than spending money on extra spots, snorkels and lift kits and never using them.( like me) I like driving up my country roads with all the spots on but i can equally drive quite safely with the original lights. Id doubt there are many landrovers on here that haven't been modded in some way. Just down to personal choice.
 
Nothing wrong with doing any of that. But there is nothing wrong with liking the standard vehicle either. :)

Common sense might suggest that to come on a site where many run, and enjoy, old landrovers, might not be best to start saying how inadequate they are? ;)

And we are usually known as a clique! :) Collective sounds a bit Mao-ist, somehow!

Oh for goodness sake. I never said "how inadequate Land Rovers are". I'll let you into a little secret, I too run and enjoy an old Land Rover! Yes, lots of it is inadequate, it's not very good on diesel, there's feck all elbow room, it steams up, it's noisy, slow (although much faster than it was when it left the factory) and there's a million other things that aren't very good about it but that's exact reason I bought a 30 year old 110 rather than a Mitsu-yota for goodness sake, because I love Land Rovers. I think most readers of this forum won't take too much offence about pointing out which bits can be improved and the multi million pound industry based on Land Rover upgrades does OK out of it too.

Thank you to all for the comments and suggestions/links, I'll do some reading and decide which way to go. As I mentioned before, I am a fan of LED technology, and I quite like the look of some LED lamps, so whilst I appreciate that I could fit new bulbs etc, I'm keen on the idea of a safe, legal, useable LED solution for a number of reasons. Thanks again.
 
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