When is the US going to get "real" Land Rovers?

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Steve Firth ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

>> > I think the H2 was supposed to be better.

>> I thought the H2 was a farcical joke restyle of a Chevy Suburb?

> Am I getting my numbers mixed up? I thought the Tahoe derivative was
> the H3.

The H1 is the "original" Hummer.
The H2 is a restyled Suburb/Avalanche/Escalade/Whatever.
The H3 is "rumored" to be hitting production next year. Maybe. P'raps.
 
Steve Firth wrote:
> R. David Steele <[email protected]/OMEGA> wrote:
>
>
>>|A better solution might be the new Discovery III, which apparently is a
>>|much, much better off-roader than the Defender. I'm wondering, since one
>>|option is to get a Disco III with a 4.4L Jaguar engine, how long it will
>>|be before someone bolts on the supercharger from the Jag XJR/XKR to the
>>|Disco?
>>
>>Any info on this??
>
>
> Full review in Top Gear magazine this month.
>
> Brief review at: http://www.carbc.com/Car-News-764.html
> and another at: http://tinyurl.com/336mn
> and another at: http://tinyurl.com/3cajd
>
> The online reviews don't mention the interesting idea of the webcam
> provided that can be mounted on any part of the bodywork that gives a
> picture on the dash screen. This allows (e.g.) the camera to be attached
> to the chassis so that you can check the terrain close up for rock
> scrambling. They do mention the terrain response system that allows a
> driver to dial in the type of terrain they are driving on and get a
> pre-set combination of suspension, transmission and hill descent
> settings for that type of terrain. Hill descent now includes the option
> to select descent speed.
>
> The online sites also mention that the Discovery III will be available
> with a 4.0 V6 from the world's best selling SUV "in some markets". So I
> don't suppose it takes long to guess, Explorer 4.0V6, North America.
>

Now if they would only see the diesel V-6 in the US. We have
lots of folks who are into diesels these days. VW is seeing a
huge jump in business due to the gas prices.

BTW, great sites!!!!!


 
Steve Firth wrote:
> R. David Steele <[email protected]/OMEGA> wrote:
>
>
>>when I tell the local cops about how British bobbies drive the
>>Jag XJ8, they are ready to swap their Crown Vics in for the XJ8.
>
>
> There's one American cop car that is a poor copy of the older XJ40 - I
> think it's a Pontiac. Can't recall the name of it, but it has the same
> overall look of an XJ40 with the same square headlights.
>
>
>>Now there would be a sales tool! US folks do like to buy what
>>the coppers drive.
>
>
> Humm, very few UK coppers get to drive XJ8s. Nowadays they are mostly
> reserved for Whitehall (government) use. The standard "tool" for
> motorway work is the Volvo T5. Most local coppers use a Vauxhall Astra
> (GM) or a Peugeot (French but built in Coventry). I couldn't see any
> doughnut sucking American Cop fitting behind the steering wheel of the
> either of last two cars.
>
> One of the police stations I visit for my work has a fleet of Ford
> Explorers.
>

Mostly around here it is Crown Victoria but we are
seeing more Chevy Impalas as there has been a law
suit with Ford and Ford will not see to many cities
in my state.

And we have less over weight police these days. For one
thing, the average LEO has only 3 years experience (most
quit before they reach five years). Lots of young, athletic
guys with big egos.


 
Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve Firth ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
> > I think the H2 was supposed to be better.
>
> I thought the H2 was a farcical joke restyle of a Chevy Suburb?

Am I getting my numbers mixed up? I thought the Tahoe derivative was the
H3.

BTW, most amusing thing I have seen on the automotive front this year is
a Hummer dealer in Paris, on the left bank near the Eiffel Tower. Was it
really wise to call all the potential consumers "cheese-eating surrender
monkeys"? And even if it was forgiveable, HTF do you drive a Hummer in
Paris? I can barely get my Exploder through some of the streets.

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"Steve Firth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> BTW, most amusing thing I have seen on the automotive front this year is
> a Hummer dealer in Paris, on the left bank near the Eiffel Tower. Was it
> really wise to call all the potential consumers "cheese-eating surrender
> monkeys"? And even if it was forgiveable, HTF do you drive a Hummer in
> Paris? I can barely get my Exploder through some of the streets.

It was a character on the Simpsons (Groundskeeper Willie, a Scot) who called
the French "cheese-eating surrender monkeys". I don't think we can really
assume he speaks for the entire American nation. Or Scottish. :)

David


 
In article <1gcfp0l.1rbr6as11l4cvaN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth
<[email protected]> writes
>The Marines and others (Rangers?) ordered a small number of Defenders
>after the first Gulf War, because the Defender turned out much more
>suitable for the rapid desert raids than the Hummer. However IIRC the
>Defenders were ordered without engines to be fitted with GMC 6.3L V8
>diesels on arrival. I'm not sure how that would affect desert driving,
>for the worse I would think it's a heavy engine.

In addition during the latest Gulf War the US had a huge problem when
Turkey wouldn't allow military hardware to go through Turkey into
northern Iraq. The HUMMVEE won't fit inside a Chinook (too wide) and has
to be slung underneath. The LR will fit in a Chinook which makes life
easier all round. Apparently they sourced stock 110 & 130 crew cabs
locally, drove them over the boarder (humanitarian aid), then bolted
their hardware onto the load beds.

As to 'proper' LRs in the US, I presume you can still import pre-1969
series ones?

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Preston, Lancs, UK.

 
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:18:46 +0100, John Halliwell
<[email protected]> wrote:

>As to 'proper' LRs in the US, I presume you can still import pre-1969
>series ones?

Pre 1979 (25+ years old) vehicles can be imported as long as they meet
whatever the US standard was in the year they were built. Also, there
were a few NAS '93 D110's and '94, '96 and '97 D90's that were
imported (they had roll cages and V8's).
--
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David French <[email protected]> wrote:

> It was a character on the Simpsons (Groundskeeper Willie, a Scot) who called
> the French "cheese-eating surrender monkeys".

Yes I know.

> I don't think we can really
> assume he speaks for the entire American nation. Or Scottish. :)

No, the people spoke for themselves by picking it up, using it and then
going on with that ridiculous "Freedom Fries" business.

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R. David Steele wrote:
> Why can't the US get Defender 90s, 110s and 130s?
>
> Why can't we have diesel powered Landies?
>
> And why doesn't the US military use the Defender as a basic, and
> cheaper, vehicle for the average troops?

The U.S. Marine anti-terrorist unit uses the Mercedes G series. Works very
well for them. Not the landrover, but still it's nice to see them use
something other than the hummer.


 

|> Why can't the US get Defender 90s, 110s and 130s?
|>
|> Why can't we have diesel powered Landies?
|>
|> And why doesn't the US military use the Defender as a basic, and
|> cheaper, vehicle for the average troops?
|
|The U.S. Marine anti-terrorist unit uses the Mercedes G series. Works very
|well for them. Not the landrover, but still it's nice to see them use
|something other than the hummer.

Isn't the G-Wagon costing over $100,000? At that point it is no
different than the Hummer.



 

"Steve Firth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gcgl1z.e966as130d0djN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> R. David Steele <[email protected]/OMEGA> wrote:
>
> > Question: how tough is the Defender in comparison to the Hummer?
> > Will it take the abuse that US soldiers give?
>
> The Hummer has a reputation of being rather fragile, among the British
> military. Certainly the H1 at least was regarded as a mild joke rather
> than a battle vehicle. I think the H2 was supposed to be better.

Huh? I drove it in the desert in the first Gulf War and it was very
impressive. The English never had any issues with this truck. The H2 is a
joke, but the H1 is very good vehicle!


 
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:16:08 GMT, R. David Steele
<[email protected]/OMEGA> wrote:

>
>|> Why can't the US get Defender 90s, 110s and 130s?
>|>
>|> Why can't we have diesel powered Landies?
>|>
>|> And why doesn't the US military use the Defender as a basic, and
>|> cheaper, vehicle for the average troops?
>|
>|The U.S. Marine anti-terrorist unit uses the Mercedes G series. Works very
>|well for them. Not the landrover, but still it's nice to see them use
>|something other than the hummer.
>
>Isn't the G-Wagon costing over $100,000?

Only the tarted-up civvy ones with bunion lubrication and automatic
nose-hair clippers. Utility Gs are cheap(er).

> At that point it is no different than the Hummer.

Other than being smaller, lighter and more capable.

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|> you've hit the nail on the head it's as big as a tank
|> or more to the point as wide as a tank
|> they were designed to run in tank tracks
|
|Oh, and stupid here though the average US soldier is now a plump 250 lbs
|5'6" recruit .....that is why wide was better.

There is a problem with folks being over weight in the US.
However military standards are such that we reject nearly 60% of
those who apply due to physical problems, of which weight is one
of them. And nearly half of all applicants to the military are
rejected due to failing the entrance exam (ASVAB).

Gets even worst than that. About 25% of males are kicked out
before they finish their first tour (10% in basic training). For
females, it is 50% (25% in basic). Generally character issues.

Thus the typical person who can make in the military is smart
enough to have been accepted to an university (had they tried),
is in very good physical condition and tends to be an ethical,
self disciplined individual.




 
On or around Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:52:37 -0500, N9NWO <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>And we have less over weight police these days. For one
>thing, the average LEO has only 3 years experience (most
>quit before they reach five years). Lots of young, athletic
>guys with big egos.

and guns... eek.

back to that "private islands for sale" site I think.

apparently, you can buy 5400 acres of island in Fiji complete with 400 head
of cows, herd of goats, village full of workers, etc., for about $15M US.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]/OMEGA says...
> Subject: Re: When is the US going to get "real" Land Rovers?
> From: R. David Steele <[email protected]/OMEGA>
> Newsgroups: alt.fan.landrover, rec.autos.4x4, uk.rec.cars.4x4
>
>
> |> you've hit the nail on the head it's as big as a tank
> |> or more to the point as wide as a tank
> |> they were designed to run in tank tracks
> |
> |Oh, and stupid here though the average US soldier is now a plump 250 lbs
> |5'6" recruit .....that is why wide was better.
>
> There is a problem with folks being over weight in the US.
> However military standards are such that we reject nearly 60% of
> those who apply due to physical problems, of which weight is one
> of them. And nearly half of all applicants to the military are
> rejected due to failing the entrance exam (ASVAB).
>
> Gets even worst than that. About 25% of males are kicked out
> before they finish their first tour (10% in basic training). For
> females, it is 50% (25% in basic). Generally character issues.
>
> Thus the typical person who can make in the military is smart
> enough to have been accepted to an university (had they tried),
> is in very good physical condition and tends to be an ethical,
> self disciplined individual.
>
>

I don't know if beggars can be choosers these days. Unfortunately
enlistment is down and car bombings are up.
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On or around Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:34:06 +0100, [email protected]
(Steve Firth) enlightened us thusly:

>The SAS tend to use very old Land Rovers, Series III with a windscreen
>(only), no roof. These are both v. cheap and v. rugged and they can
>carry a decent payload.

I think they've a new one based on a 110XD.

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"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
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On or around Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:48:57 -0500, N9NWO <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>So, the Defender might do as an affordable
>combat vehicle. What is that Mercedes G-Wagon?
>I hear that it is over $100,000!!!
>
>And now the army is pushing some "off the shelf"
>Chevy truck that is going to cost $100,000 per
>unit!!! No wonder they have to make the military
>smaller, there is no other way to equip the troops.
>
>But then the Canadian army only has four tanks....

and when was Canada last at war?

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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
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On or around Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:16:08 GMT, R. David Steele
<[email protected]/OMEGA> enlightened us thusly:

>Isn't the G-Wagon costing over $100,000? At that point it is no
>different than the Hummer.

apart from being half the size, so it'll actually fit into an urban
environment...

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"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:48:57 -0500, N9NWO
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> So, the Defender might do as an affordable
>> combat vehicle. What is that Mercedes G-Wagon?
>> I hear that it is over $100,000!!!
>>
>> And now the army is pushing some "off the shelf"
>> Chevy truck that is going to cost $100,000 per
>> unit!!! No wonder they have to make the military
>> smaller, there is no other way to equip the troops.
>>
>> But then the Canadian army only has four tanks....
>
> and when was Canada last at war?

WW2 - lots of them dies very bravely too.

If you mean on their own land it was in 1812 when the US decided to invade
Canada and make it American but got beat and the borders returned to where
they were before the invasion.

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Dan J. S. wrote:
> R. David Steele wrote:
>> Why can't the US get Defender 90s, 110s and 130s?
>>
>> Why can't we have diesel powered Landies?
>>
>> And why doesn't the US military use the Defender as a basic, and
>> cheaper, vehicle for the average troops?
>
> The U.S. Marine anti-terrorist unit uses the Mercedes G series. Works
> very well for them. Not the landrover, but still it's nice to see
> them use something other than the hummer.

In the recent Gulf conflict the Turkish refused to allow US military
vehicles to cross the border into northern Iraq so the US special forces
were supplied with civvy-spec Defender 110 crew-cab TD5's in white. They
were reported to be very impressed with them except the colour which they
immediately daubed with local mud.

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