What tow rope?

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I dont have any recovery points at the moment; Thinking of getting one at the front but would I need one at the back in addition to already having a tow hitch?

I've got something similar to (if not that one):
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old traveller said:
As somebody wrote, strops are not the right thing to use in towing. Rope has more give and will not risk pulling out jate rings or eyes. As a tow eye whistled past my ear and through the windscreen I realised KERR rope is`nt a good idea either. 40mm three strand polypropaline will pull a truck but give enough to allow you to get the clutch out,
Dyneema, the new wonder rope has less give than wire, most tugs using it put in a nylon stretcher to absorb shock loading. oh, poly is cheap as chips from a rope manufacturer, me.
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ermmmmm... I wonder is poster trying to protect any sales that may arise of his rope from his post?
 
I have a 20ft lenght of ships hawser that I use for heavy recoveries but have used strops perfectly safely. Always follow the golden rule "never snatch with a strop" the rope is mutifilament nylon with a braided sheath, and is similar to modern climbing rope. but not as stretchy. I've recovered a couple of well stuck vehicles with it and it pulls smooth as anything. Much better than a procomp strop or a traditional twisted rope.
 
redhand said:
I have a 20ft lenght of ships hawser that I use for heavy recoveries but have used strops perfectly safely. Always follow the golden rule "never snatch with a strop" the rope is mutifilament nylon with a braided sheath, and is similar to modern climbing rope. but not as stretchy. I've recovered a couple of well stuck vehicles with it and it pulls smooth as anything. Much better than a procomp strop or a traditional twisted rope.
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Never snatch with a strop?
Interesting!

Nylon recovery straps are perfectly suitable for snatch recoveries if used correctly. That is what they were designed for.

Polyester lifting/tow straps are not suitable for snatch recoveries due to higher shock loadings.

Use the right gear in the right manner!

Brendan
 
straps provide the best snatch cos they hav no give, but they can also snap stuff more easily.

if youre sure youve got good recovery points on both vehicles, the best recovery will be with a strop as it provides the most acute shock.

for road towing this is no good though.
 
leeds said:
Never snatch with a strop?
Interesting!

Nylon recovery straps are perfectly suitable for snatch recoveries if used correctly. That is what they were designed for.

Polyester lifting/tow straps are not suitable for snatch recoveries due to higher shock loadings.

Use the right gear in the right manner!

Brendan
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I was referring to lifting strops..
 
RichM said:
If it's likely to be used on the road, then 20ft is probably better.
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Not really as the maximum length for use as a towrope on UK roads is 4.5 metres which is less than 15 feet!

SLROC have not banned KERR's but then only our own trained Marshal's either carry out or supervise recoveries at our offroad site. We also carry out strict scrutineering at our events which include twin front recovery points which cannot be attached to a bullbar unless fit for purpose (ARB style for instance). We advocate the use of Jate rings as reliable front recovery points which must be used in conjunction with a 2 or 3 metre bridle and a minimum of 4.75t shackles; the towing pack at the rear is usually sufficient as it mounts to two points on the chassis rails plus the rear crossmember.
I have a 10 metre kinetic strap, 4.5 metre rope, 2 metre bridle and assorted tested bow and 'D'shackles.
One thing I noticed someone mention is shackling a recovery rope to the bridle. This is a bad idea because if a recovery point should fail, you have a big lump of shackle heading in one direction or another!
I would suggest whenever possible that the bridle is unshackled from one end and then threaded through the recovery rope before re-attaching.
Hope this post is taken in the way it's intended, me being a FNG.
 
DEANO3528 said:
Not really as the maximum length for use as a towrope on UK roads is 4.5 metres which is less than 15 feet!

SLROC have not banned KERR's but then only our own trained Marshal's either carry out or supervise recoveries at our offroad site. We also carry out strict scrutineering at our events which include twin front recovery points which cannot be attached to a bullbar unless fit for purpose (ARB style for instance). We advocate the use of Jate rings as reliable front recovery points which must be used in conjunction with a 2 or 3 metre bridle and a minimum of 4.75t shackles; the towing pack at the rear is usually sufficient as it mounts to two points on the chassis rails plus the rear crossmember.
I have a 10 metre kinetic strap, 4.5 metre rope, 2 metre bridle and assorted tested bow and 'D'shackles.
One thing I noticed someone mention is shackling a recovery rope to the bridle. This is a bad idea because if a recovery point should fail, you have a big lump of shackle heading in one direction or another!
I would suggest whenever possible that the bridle is unshackled from one end and then threaded through the recovery rope before re-attaching.
Hope this post is taken in the way it's intended, me being a FNG.
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Hi Deano, and welcome, as a newbie here your likely to get some ribbing from the guys in here, good to see you in here as well as the SLROC.

I got a 1m strap from each of the recovery points, that I attach both to the tow rope via a shackel, I use these intsead of a bridle, this means if one recovery point fails then there's nno chance of a slip through, and another as a back up to stop things flying every where. same sort of idea realy.
 
Rykard said:
I am getting confused by ropes / kerr / straps / shackles / bridles etc and was just looking for a little clarity...
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Ropes are round and ever twisted like or made of hundreds of nylon monofilliment bunched together with a protective antifraying sheath over them. These tend to have more stretch in them than twisted rope.

Kerr stands for Kinetic Energy Recovery Rope and have a certain elasticity in them the idea been that you leave a little slack in the rope then accelerate forwards this stretches the rope and the forces are released to Yank the stuck vehicle out of the mud. But leave too much slack (more than 1meter) and the forces unleashed can easily exceed the strength of the towiing/recovery points. causing life threatening situations.

Shackles are either D or Bow shackles D shackles look like the letter D bow shackles look like an Omega sign.

Good quality ones are tested and rated and will have SWL stamped or embossed on them

Lifting strops are used by cranes or hiab driver for lifting heavy loads.

Recovery or "Procomp"(tm) type straps are similar to lifting strops but have some elasticity built in to them.

A bridle is a Y shaped strap or rope attached to 2 points on the vehicle with the 3rd point been attached to the tow rope/sttrop
 
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couple of clips....

Kinetic Rope if you do not use it correctly can cause holes
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtuO-Mh9Lg"]YouTube - Recovery rope snapped dangerous[/nomedia]

****s international

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lMxYnGIrw&feature=related"]YouTube - VERY professional kinetic rope snatch recovery[/nomedia]

Kinetic ropes really do need some serious respect
 
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this vid is agood to watch for general info!
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JBnxSqpuCM&feature=related"]YouTube - Using Kinetic Straps with John Rich[/nomedia]

I do not comment on whether this vid is definitely the right way... but it certainly looks better than the last guys!
 
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