Freelander 1 What size wheels and which tyres for a bit of green lane driving?

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As I slowly work through all the faults on K-Hippo-D, I am trying to stop myself from looking at bling and other nice stuff for it until it is successfully back on the road and running reliably. However, one of the reasons for buying it in the first place was to take it off road or go green laning (or is it called "green roading" now?)

The current wheels are 16" sport lines with some strange brand of Chinese tyre - the best review of which I've seen states "not as bad as you think they might be". Hmm. Anyway, they are a road-biased tyre, and likely to be little better than Teflon off road.

The best option that I think that a number of you here recommend is to buy a spare set of wheels and fit more suitable footware to them. Hiking boots for the Hippo.

Given the range of wheel sizes available from LR over the years for the FL1, ranging from 15 to 17" - what is the optimum wheel size/ tyre combination for a bit of gentle 4-wheel drive family fun?

I am going to exclude the rather lovely Modular Steels from the running on the basis of budget constraints - but there are plenty of OE alloy wheels to choose from at reasonable money :)

Thanks! :D
 
I had Yokohama AT'S on my V6. Very good off and on road.
I got them when they were on offer, which helped the cost considerably. They are still going strong 20K miles later, with the V6 in the mother in law's ownership.
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This is the Yokohama AT'S.
I think I'll get them again when the time comes.
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About 300 quid... :) Cool - I'll look into this when the car is back on the road and ready for its new life! :D
 
As I slowly work through all the faults on K-Hippo-D, I am trying to stop myself from looking at bling and other nice stuff for it until it is successfully back on the road and running reliably. However, one of the reasons for buying it in the first place was to take it off road or go green laning (or is it called "green roading" now?)

The current wheels are 16" sport lines with some strange brand of Chinese tyre - the best review of which I've seen states "not as bad as you think they might be". Hmm. Anyway, they are a road-biased tyre, and likely to be little better than Teflon off road.

The best option that I think that a number of you here recommend is to buy a spare set of wheels and fit more suitable footware to them. Hiking boots for the Hippo.

Given the range of wheel sizes available from LR over the years for the FL1, ranging from 15 to 17" - what is the optimum wheel size/ tyre combination for a bit of gentle 4-wheel drive family fun?

I am going to exclude the rather lovely Modular Steels from the running on the basis of budget constraints - but there are plenty of OE alloy wheels to choose from at reasonable money :)

Thanks! :D
To be completely honest, tyres are a BIG topic of debate.

Lets start at the beginning however. Have you green laned before or driven off road?

Unless you are a competent green laner, then it is always advisable to green laning with at least one other vehicle, should you get stuck or breakdown.

But green lanes are very varied, so it will depend where exactly you plan to go green laning. Your location says London, and there are green lanes not far from London, but most will be near civilisation. If you are in the darkest depths of Wales or somewhere up North, then you could be many many miles away from help.

Also remember, Green Lanes are public roads and should be treated accordingly. The ground to the side of the green lane is not a play area and shouldn't be driven on.

As for tyres. It will generally be a matter of compromises. Although the reality is, no green lane should be all that hardcore to tackle, if it is, then chances are you probably shouldn't be driving anyway.

A good set of AT's would likely be fine by and large, but if it's wet and muddy, they will be at a disadvantage. And due to excessive wheelspin can be more damaging than a more aggressive Mud Terrain.

AT's however will be better for the on road sections and are something you could happily run 24/7 on a Freelander.

Another downside to AT's is, while they are more puncture resistant than road bias tyres, they will not be as good as MT's.


A sensible MT is probably the best laning tyre. Something with sipes in preferably, as they will perform better on hard surfaces and in the wet and the ice. The trade off is, they generally won't be as good on road, but they should be acceptable.

Now the trap not to fall in here is, you don't need extreme tyres for green laning. So forget getting anything like Insa Turbo Special Tracks for this kind of use. And anyone who claims they need tyres like this for green laning is just a total dick head and hasn't got a clue.

As a side note, do you know if your Freelander has Traction Control? (most do, but some earlier ones do not). Without TCS the Freelander is somewhat lame off road, but with it, it is exceptionally capable.

As a rule narrower tyres tend to work better for 'most' UK off roading situations. Certainly a lot of the ground around the SE/Midlands area. Although big fat tyres can certainly look the part, they tend to float more on the surface and only really work well in sand and hard dry rocks.

What the Freelander does however suffer with, is relatively low ground clearance. Some green lanes will have deep tram lines that you have to drive along. Only in July this year, a Series 1 80" V8 got beached on a lane in Wales while we were out laning. And he was on 7.50 x 16 tyres too. So getting beached in a Freelander is very real possibility. So here is the trade off again with tyres.

Taller tyres will give you more clearance. But will blunt performance and probably cause rubbing issues and may require a lift kit and/or trimming. But they will be the better choice.

But I would say go as tall as you can (which is fairly limited on a FL anyway).

And if possible as narrow as you can while still getting the height.

Rim size matters less, although as a rule there are more off roady tyres in the 15 and 16" sizes. And the smaller the rim, the larger the sidewall of the tyre for the same height, which is another good thing off road.

Remould tyres are fine to look at and come at a good price and can often be had in some nice tread patterns. But they probably aren't the best tyre for running about on daily.

Failing that tyres such as the Maxxis Bighorn range, Toyo Open Country MT and many others are worth looking at.

Only real tyre I'd avoid is the BFG AT. While they are often popular over here, they are designed for the terrain of the USA, which is very different to the UK. And as a result they tend to perform badly off road and are somewhat nasty on road too, especially in the wet. Anyone claiming different probably falls into two camps (or both):

-has just lumped out huge sums of money for them and doesn't want to believe they aren't very good
-has never run any/many other tyres to act as a comparison too and are probably comparing a worn out road tyre to a new BFG AT
 
I recently needed two new tyres on the front and took the opportunity to get myself a set of 5 which was just as well. The rears were still well within tread limits but they were 2009 tyres and had started to crack. I had Cross Latitudes all round, except the spare was the original unused 2005 Synchrone in immaculate condition.

I dont do many miles now so couldn't justify another set of the Latitudes at the best part of £100 a corner so after much internet research I settled on 5 new Grabber GT's in then stock size the car was sold 215/65/R16. All fitted by my local independent tyre dealer for £69.35 each, and I sold the Synchronye on eBay for £14.99!
 
To be completely honest, tyres are a BIG topic of debate.

Lets start at the beginning however. Have you green laned before or driven off road?
Excellent reply - thanks! :D

All I have done is a couple of off-road courses (in Discovery 1s) and I am under no illusions as to my novice status. To start with, I'd probably just keep with roads that are little more metalled tracks; anything more, I'd probably look to join a club.
On that basis, I am probably not looking at anything more capable than ATs - but I know what a slippery slope these sorts of things can become. I race my MGs in sprints and hillclimbs - so yes, I can and do get quite indulged in this sort of automotive madness! LOL

My FL is a 1.8S - so yes, it has HDC and TC, but an engine that isn't really suited (I suspect) to heavier off-road type activities. I could put a supercharger on it, but to be honest, if I do get drawn into the off-road scene, I'd probably get myself a Disco or a 110 wagon. The FL is just a nice place to start I think - and a car that I suspect is perfectly capable of what I have in mind :)

But you provide a really nice overview of the different tyres and the optimum wheel sizes - which is to say, as tall a tyre as possible with as small a diameter wheel as possible :D

Much appreciated!
 
My FL is a 1.8S - so yes, it has HDC and TC, but an engine that isn't really suited (I suspect) to heavier off-road type activities. I could put a supercharger on it, but to be honest, if I do get drawn into the off-road scene, I'd probably get myself a Disco or a 110 wagon. The FL is just a nice place to start I think - and a car that I suspect is perfectly capable of what I have in mind :)
The 1.8 is a fine engine, often much maligned online. So long as you are prepared to do the head gasket once, if it's not been done. But once sorted should be a cracking engine.

The real downside with the Freelander is a lack of low range, this means you simply won't have the wheel torque at low speed and will have to slip the clutch (same is true with a Td4). And you'll have to tackle obstacles at higher speed than you would in other 4x4's because of this.

But it is perfectly capable off road and green laning.
 
To be completely honest, tyres are a BIG topic of debate.

Lets start at the beginning however. Have you green laned before or driven off road?

Unless you are a competent green laner, then it is always advisable to green laning with at least one other vehicle, should you get stuck or breakdown.

But green lanes are very varied, so it will depend where exactly you plan to go green laning. Your location says London, and there are green lanes not far from London, but most will be near civilisation. If you are in the darkest depths of Wales or somewhere up North, then you could be many many miles away from help.

Also remember, Green Lanes are public roads and should be treated accordingly. The ground to the side of the green lane is not a play area and shouldn't be driven on.

As for tyres. It will generally be a matter of compromises. Although the reality is, no green lane should be all that hardcore to tackle, if it is, then chances are you probably shouldn't be driving anyway.

A good set of AT's would likely be fine by and large, but if it's wet and muddy, they will be at a disadvantage. And due to excessive wheelspin can be more damaging than a more aggressive Mud Terrain.

AT's however will be better for the on road sections and are something you could happily run 24/7 on a Freelander.

Another downside to AT's is, while they are more puncture resistant than road bias tyres, they will not be as good as MT's.


A sensible MT is probably the best laning tyre. Something with sipes in preferably, as they will perform better on hard surfaces and in the wet and the ice. The trade off is, they generally won't be as good on road, but they should be acceptable.

Now the trap not to fall in here is, you don't need extreme tyres for green laning. So forget getting anything like Insa Turbo Special Tracks for this kind of use. And anyone who claims they need tyres like this for green laning is just a total dick head and hasn't got a clue.

As a side note, do you know if your Freelander has Traction Control? (most do, but some earlier ones do not). Without TCS the Freelander is somewhat lame off road, but with it, it is exceptionally capable.

As a rule narrower tyres tend to work better for 'most' UK off roading situations. Certainly a lot of the ground around the SE/Midlands area. Although big fat tyres can certainly look the part, they tend to float more on the surface and only really work well in sand and hard dry rocks.

What the Freelander does however suffer with, is relatively low ground clearance. Some green lanes will have deep tram lines that you have to drive along. Only in July this year, a Series 1 80" V8 got beached on a lane in Wales while we were out laning. And he was on 7.50 x 16 tyres too. So getting beached in a Freelander is very real possibility. So here is the trade off again with tyres.

Taller tyres will give you more clearance. But will blunt performance and probably cause rubbing issues and may require a lift kit and/or trimming. But they will be the better choice.

But I would say go as tall as you can (which is fairly limited on a FL anyway).

And if possible as narrow as you can while still getting the height.

Rim size matters less, although as a rule there are more off roady tyres in the 15 and 16" sizes. And the smaller the rim, the larger the sidewall of the tyre for the same height, which is another good thing off road.

Remould tyres are fine to look at and come at a good price and can often be had in some nice tread patterns. But they probably aren't the best tyre for running about on daily.

Failing that tyres such as the Maxxis Bighorn range, Toyo Open Country MT and many others are worth looking at.

Only real tyre I'd avoid is the BFG AT. While they are often popular over here, they are designed for the terrain of the USA, which is very different to the UK. And as a result they tend to perform badly off road and are somewhat nasty on road too, especially in the wet. Anyone claiming different probably falls into two camps (or both):

-has just lumped out huge sums of money for them and doesn't want to believe they aren't very good
-has never run any/many other tyres to act as a comparison too and are probably comparing a worn out road tyre to a new BFG AT
Great write up :)

What you say about ground clearance on Freelander is true and real. With a lift on the independent axled Freelander though you lift the whole car up - so a 2" lift means you can drive 2" deeper ruts, then you can add taller tyres to give further clearance. The Disco/Defender/RR with their solid axles where a 2" lift does not give any improvement in ruts to the lowest point - which is the axles themselves. On those cars it is all about the tyres.
 
The 1.8 is a fine engine, often much maligned online. So long as you are prepared to do the head gasket once, if it's not been done. But once sorted should be a cracking engine.

The real downside with the Freelander is a lack of low range, this means you simply won't have the wheel torque at low speed and will have to slip the clutch (same is true with a Td4). And you'll have to tackle obstacles at higher speed than you would in other 4x4's because of this.

But it is perfectly capable off road and green laning.
Yes, that is what I am hoping!

I am rebuilding the engine at the moment - and hope to get it back on the road soon (bought cheap off eBay with all the usual problems). Will likely need a new VCU, but I view this as a service item. I need to change the oil in the IRD - which should provide a reasonable idea on the health (or otherwise) of this gearbox!
 
Having spent lots of time off and on road, in numerous vehicles. I'd say that the bast around tyre is probably the Pirelli Scorpion ATR. However they only come in a limited number of sizes and they are expensive.
I had them on my D3, they were awesome on that. Wet or dry road or dry off road and even mud. Definitely a good all round choice of tyre.
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My second and lower priced tyre option for all round general use would be the Yokohama AT'S, already mentioned.
 
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Tyres are not the most important thing for making progress on unmade roads. The driver is. I have been out on a full laning weekend in a jeep cherokee wearing very road biased tyres. I never had to engage 4wd, and was the only vehicle to not get stuck at all that weekend. The way to avoid getting a diff-hang in tramlines is straddle them where possible, helps the surface too to not have every vehicle running down the same ruts.

Personally my preference is for Pirelli Scorpion AT (although I notice they are a different pattern these days), they were fantastic on my old Trooper, and a couple of discos. great on road, and never had any trouble off-road. I have never found myself wishing I had MT rather than AT, and when I have driven with them, on road manners are generally bad to appalling, and frequently noisy.

The "no remould" arguments were fine in the 70s, but modern remoulds have to meet exactly the same standards as new tyres these days, I fancy Insa Saharas next as I had good experience with them on a borrowed motor, cheap and I can add a little tick box to the "more environmentally friendly" box to annoy the greens. Plus the disco will have much less on tarmac work to do as it won't be my daily driver.
 
Not always possible or easy to straddle the ruts. Remember it's not a play area. So you should only be driving on the prescribed route. Not next to it.



Some lanes are also very narrow. And can have deep tram lines.

 
In that first image, the route would be a foot wider, and passable by almost anything if more people had straddled. Much less damaging to the surface, less reason for ramblers to complain about damage caused by 4x4s.
 
Thanks Bonkers - I've read about Grabbers before... good tyres I think?

You may be thinking of the Grabber AT tyre which is a bit of a compromise for road use but certainly looks the part and fills up those arches very nicely indeed. The are very popular with Landy owners and you can probably find some pics with a search. They are about £110 each i think, no doubt someone will correct me if I'm mistaken.

The GT's I fitted rare M&S rated but are very much a road tyre. I'd hazard a guess they would be fine for green laning.

Talking of filling up the wheel arches these pics of mine show how tiny a stock 16" wheel with 65 profile looks in the rather large arch.
 

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